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Fat Sam wrote:
 > Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?

Yes, but I retired before dotNet was introduced. I use VI 6.0 SP5, but
only for managing projects. I do not use any of the MS-proprietary
crap in my sites (which are all PHP).

The source editor is fairly good. Others are better. Unless it's an
..htm(l) page, there is only source view; design, and quick view, modes
don't work if file extension is .php

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Fat Sam wrote:
 > Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?

It's not bad.

 > I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the applications
 > that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I know it's used
 > primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...

Well, Visual Interdev .NET is. VI 6 wasn't. :>

Visual Studio .NET is not a horrid product. It's usable. It doesn't do
everything I'd like it to do, but it's not bad. VS doesn't even add tons of
extraneous HTML/XML to your web pages like FrontPage does

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William Tasso wrote:
 > Forging a path through the alt.www.webmaster jungle, armed only with a
 > rusty Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) Fat Sam burst into a
 > clearing and said:
 >
  >> Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
 >
 >
 > Yep - every day.

Knew I could rely on you mate....

  >> I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the
  >> applications that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I
  >> know it's used primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
 >
 >
 > hmmm - that would be Visual Studio [dot] Net. VI is used for classic ASP

Really?....Oooh, that's good then...I like classic asp....

  >> I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've
  >> been known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on
  >> basic, lol)....
 >
 >
 > yes - do you mean vbScript? as used in ASP?

Well, my asp is VB flavoured, so yes, but I've also dabbled with an old
copy of Visual Basic 6....

  >> So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is it
  >> more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely similar
  >> application?
 >
 >
 > Well, I use it as a text editor. It has intuitive (to me) highlighting
 > and best of all makes use of intellisense.
 >
 > You can use it as a site management tool too - but I'm afraid I don't
 > get on with those.
 >
 > I can't believe you've done so much ASP and not yet used it - oh well.

LOL....Since when have I ever been *conventional* mate?....I normally do
asp stuff the same way I do HTML tidying....I create layouts in DW and
then cleanup the code or add scripting with notepad....

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Fat Sam wrote:
 > Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
 >
 > I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the applications
 > that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I know it's used
 > primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
 >
 > I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've been
 > known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on basic,
 > lol)....
 >
 > So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is it
 > more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely similar
 > application?
 >
 > I am of course googling as we speak for more info on Interdev....Not
 > surprisingly, Microsofts own website is offering up the least
 > informative information....
 >

That is VERY old software. It was replaced by VisualStudio in 2001 I
think? VisualStudio 2005 just came out. It does everything, from the
major .NET languages to page construction, but it is ultra-highend. It's
quite easy to get to grips with though, even if you have only ever used
bits of VisualBasic in the past. You should be fine.

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Fat Sam wrote:
 > William Tasso wrote:
 >
  >> Forging a path through the alt.www.webmaster jungle, armed only with
  >> a rusty Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) Fat Sam burst into
  >> a clearing and said:
  >>
   >>> Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Yep - every day.
 >
 >
 > Knew I could rely on you mate....
 >
   >>> I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the
   >>> applications that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I
   >>> know it's used primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> hmmm - that would be Visual Studio [dot] Net. VI is used for classic ASP
 >
 >
 > Really?....Oooh, that's good then...I like classic asp....
 >
   >>> I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've
   >>> been known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on
   >>> basic, lol)....
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> yes - do you mean vbScript? as used in ASP?
 >
 >
 > Well, my asp is VB flavoured, so yes, but I've also dabbled with an old
 > copy of Visual Basic 6....
 >
   >>> So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is it
   >>> more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely similar
   >>> application?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Well, I use it as a text editor. It has intuitive (to me)
  >> highlighting and best of all makes use of intellisense.
  >>
  >> You can use it as a site management tool too - but I'm afraid I don't
  >> get on with those.
  >>
  >> I can't believe you've done so much ASP and not yet used it - oh well.
 >
 >
 > LOL....Since when have I ever been *conventional* mate?....I normally do
 > asp stuff the same way I do HTML tidying....I create layouts in DW and
 > then cleanup the code or add scripting with notepad....
 >

Heh that's how I work too. Grr


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On Sat, 07 May 2005 01:45:34 +0100, SpaceGirl wrote:

 > Fat Sam wrote:
  >> Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
  >>
  >> I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the applications
  >> that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I know it's used
  >> primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
  >>
  >> I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've been
  >> known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on basic,
  >> lol)....
  >>
  >> So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is it
  >> more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely similar
  >> application?
  >>
  >> I am of course googling as we speak for more info on Interdev....Not
  >> surprisingly, Microsofts own website is offering up the least
  >> informative information....
  >>
 >
 > That is VERY old software. It was replaced by VisualStudio in 2001 I
 > think? VisualStudio 2005 just came out. It does everything, from the
 > major .NET languages to page construction, but it is ultra-highend. It's
 > quite easy to get to grips with though, even if you have only ever used
 > bits of VisualBasic in the past. You should be fine.


Visual Studio 2005 is not released yet. What you're seeing are beta
releases. The offical release date is October this year, I think.



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On Sat, 07 May 2005 00:01:40 +0100, Fat Sam wrote:

 > Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
 >
 > I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the applications
 > that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I know it's used
 > primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
 >
 > I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've been
 > known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on basic,
 > lol)....
 >
 > So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is it
 > more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely similar
 > application?
 >
 > I am of course googling as we speak for more info on Interdev....Not
 > surprisingly, Microsofts own website is offering up the least
 > informative information....


VI is used for developing ASP apps. It can't be used to develop asp.net.
For that, you need Visual Studio.NET 2002 or 2003. I use both Dreamweaver
and VS.NET to develop asp.net apps. The designer in VS is not very good so
what I do is use it to drag and drop the components the page will need and
VS will create the code behind for it. If it's a simple page, the VS
designer could be sufficient. Otherwise I switch to DW and move forward. DW
and VS compliment each other and sometimes I use both to edit pages.

If you're going to stay with classic asp, VS.NET is not for you.


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SpaceGirl wrote:
 > Fat Sam wrote:
 >
  >> William Tasso wrote:
  >>
   >>> Forging a path through the alt.www.webmaster jungle, armed only with
   >>> a rusty Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) Fat Sam burst
   >>> into a clearing and said:
   >>>
   >>>> Anyone here ever used Visual Interdev?
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Yep - every day.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Knew I could rely on you mate....
  >>
   >>>> I've never used it before, but apparently it's one of the
   >>>> applications that's frequently used in the job I've applied for...I
   >>>> know it's used primarily for creating and deploying .Net stuff...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> hmmm - that would be Visual Studio [dot] Net. VI is used for classic
   >>> ASP
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Really?....Oooh, that's good then...I like classic asp....
  >>
   >>>> I've got a hell of a lot of experience with Dreamweaver, and I've
   >>>> been known to dabble in a bit of Visual Basic (with the emphasis on
   >>>> basic, lol)....
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> yes - do you mean vbScript? as used in ASP?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Well, my asp is VB flavoured, so yes, but I've also dabbled with an
  >> old copy of Visual Basic 6....
  >>
   >>>> So is it a massive leap to move accross to Visual Interdev, or is
   >>>> it more a case of learning a new user interface for a vaguely
   >>>> similar application?
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Well, I use it as a text editor. It has intuitive (to me)
   >>> highlighting and best of all makes use of intellisense.
   >>>
   >>> You can use it as a site management tool too - but I'm afraid I don't
   >>> get on with those.
   >>>
   >>> I can't believe you've done so much ASP and not yet used it - oh well.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> LOL....Since when have I ever been *conventional* mate?....I normally
  >> do asp stuff the same way I do HTML tidying....I create layouts in DW
  >> and then cleanup the code or add scripting with notepad....
  >>
 >
 > Heh that's how I work too. Grr
 >
 >

me too!

DW for all the hardwork, then code edit it to "fix"

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Karim wrote:

 > Visual Studio 2005 is not released yet. What you're seeing are beta
 > releases. The offical release date is October this year, I think.
 >
 > Karim

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