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Bill Logan wrote:
  > > ...

Just as well this site isn't targeting techies - I keep mis-reading the
domain as onlinewiki

<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>

your bird is winking at me ;o)

 > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses

The contact form could be a little tidier and larger (ie6/win2k)

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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:28 +1200 "Bill Logan" <blogan.TakeThisOut@clear.net.nz>
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 >Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
 >words of caution
 >1. Site is riddled with tables
 >2. Site uses js
 >3. Site has pop ups
 >
 >So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
 >turned off - then don't bother.
 >I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of the
 >box' compatibility
 >
 >If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
 >http://www.onlinekiwi.net/
 >
 >Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses only
 >so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or businesses
 >in foreign countries
 >

Er, I think I meet the required criteria.....<g>

That Kiwi reminds me of something out of a Freddy Kruger film......

The yellow is hard to read on the purple, the font is too small, and
it all looks ragged, not smooth, on my out of the box, full windowed,
IE6 system at 1024x768 on a 19 inch monitor.

Matt

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In message <3f305540$1@clear.net.nz>, Bill Logan <blogan.RemoveThis@clear.net.nz>
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 >Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
 >words of caution
 >1. Site is riddled with tables
 >2. Site uses js
 >3. Site has pop ups
 >
 >So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
 >turned off - then don't bother.
 >I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of the
 >box' compatibility
 >
 >If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
 >http://www.onlinekiwi.net/
 >
 >Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses only
 >so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or businesses
 >in foreign countries
 >
 >
Looks OK in IE6 at 800x600 on a 17" screen except that the text is too
small .... and I can't re-size it.

There are alignment and text/background incompatibilities on Netscape
4.75.

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"Bill Logan" <blogan.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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 > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
 > words of caution
 > 1. Site is riddled with tables
 > 2. Site uses js
 > 3. Site has pop ups
 >
 > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
 > turned off - then don't bother.
 > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
the
 > box' compatibility
 >
 > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>

Works fine in my IE6 on XP.

Graphics look a bit fuzzy.
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"see above" <no_user DeleteThis @no_particular_domain.com> wrote in message
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 > In article <3f305540$1@clear.net.nz>, Bill Logan wrote:
  > > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
  > > words of caution
  > > 1. Site is riddled with tables
  > > 2. Site uses js
  > > 3. Site has pop ups
  > >
  > > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
  > > turned off - then don't bother.
  > > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
the
  > > box' compatibility
  > >
  > > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
  > >
 >
 > FWIW........checked in current opera for linux and current netscape for
linux
 >
 > In netscape the the images that make up the server line up correctly, in
opera
 > they are slightly mis-aligned.
Interesting, the same goes with the windows version.


 > In both browsers the server image appears-- out of focus ?
Its ok, the original is like that - meant to be
 >
 > The green word Kiwi also appears just a touch out of focus, may be the
 > contrast between the blue background and the green of the word Kiwi.

Yep, hadnt noticed befor but you are tight, I also suspect the green on
blue - will try some alternate colors
 >
 > JS works on all browsers.
 >
 > also FWIW the background image for the contact form, when viewed
seperately,
 > shows a square with rounded corners, but it's showing up in the browser as
a
 > square with rounded corners on top and square angle corners on the bottom
of
 > the form...black background.
Posibly because in the browser the size is not full lenth and there for cuts
of the bottom - at least that is what is intended.


 >
 > just a per. note... the kiwi with the flashing eyes is just plain freaky
You should see him if I activate the full js - he moves around eating
everthing in sight



  > > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses
only
  > > so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or
businesses
  > > in foreign countries
 >
 > ET will be disappointed!
ET is already a customer - his idea

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"William Tasso" <ngx.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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 > Bill Logan wrote:
   > > > ...
 >
 > Just as well this site isn't targeting techies - I keep mis-reading the
 > domain as onlinewiki

Thats ok, during the war (one of the real ones WWII), the yanks refered to
our bows as K1 W1
said, kay one double u one.
 >
<font color=brown>   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
 >
 > your bird is winking at me ;o)
Lucky sod, it only blinks at most people.

 >
  > > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses
 >
 > The contact form could be a little tidier and larger (ie6/win2k)

Don't hold back now William, I know the look is rough - it is targeted at
Kiwi Businesses and they are more critical of how it works than how it
looks. However point taken. Problem is, (as you know:-) I am a table man
(not person!) from way back. BUT I also feel? that forms do not always work
properly across table elements - maybe I am wrong? Anyway - - - in this
case I kept the form inside one <td> </td> as a result I only used <br> s to
make newlines. Perhaps you can suggest how I could better align everything
within the single cell? At the moment it is all aligned center. Align=right
also makes it a bit ugly.

I don't want to get into the whole css bit - ( I do use them for fonts etc)
but any little tip that I could apply to improve in the existing table
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Bill Logan wrote:
 > "William Tasso" <ngx.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message
 > news:bgq1st$rah17$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
  >> Bill Logan wrote:
   >>> ...

  >>
<font color=brown>   >>> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>

  >> ...
  >> The contact form could be a little tidier and larger (ie6/win2k)
 >
 > Don't hold back now William, I know the look is rough - it is
 > targeted at Kiwi Businesses and they are more critical of how it
 > works than how it looks. However point taken. Problem is, (as you
 > know:-) I am a table man (not person!) from way back. BUT I also
 > feel? that forms do not always work properly across table elements -
 > maybe I am wrong? Anyway - - - in this case I kept the form inside
 > one <td> </td> as a result I only used <br> s to make newlines.
 > Perhaps you can suggest how I could better align everything within
 > the single cell? At the moment it is all aligned center. Align=right
 > also makes it a bit ugly.

if you're going to use tables - I think you'll have to nest them to get a
decent display.

 > I don't want to get into the whole css bit - ( I do use them for
 > fonts etc) but any little tip that I could apply to improve in the
 > existing table structure would be welcome.

hmmm - I've only ever done them one of two ways:
full table implementation and full css.

Not sure if I have any table based contact forms around anymore, but I guess
you can probably manage one of them.

As for CSS - I think this < <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://williamtasso.com/contact.asp" target="_blank">http://williamtasso.com/contact.asp</a> > is one of
the most recent. The css is fairly well laid out (all the contact form
stuff is together) please help yourself if you think it's suitable.

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Bill Logan wrote:

 > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
 > words of caution
 > 1. Site is riddled with tables
 > 2. Site uses js
 > 3. Site has pop ups
 >
 > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
 > turned off - then don't bother.
 > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of the
 > box' compatibility
 >
 > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
 >
 > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses only
 > so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or businesses
 > in foreign countries
 >
 >
Win98, 15" 1024x768. Looks good in Mozilla 1.4RC and IE 5.5. Lettering
is ok on darker shades of purple, but lighter shades hard to read.
Computer graphic has more squigglies underneath in Mozilla.

On that form, if you take out "address" and just use "email" it may line
up better.

Like the bird

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"jrstark" <jrstark.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > Bill Logan wrote:
 >
  > > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
  > > words of caution
  > > 1. Site is riddled with tables
  > > 2. Site uses js
  > > 3. Site has pop ups
  > >
  > > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
  > > turned off - then don't bother.
  > > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
the
  > > box' compatibility
  > >
  > > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
  > >
  > > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses
only
  > > so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or
businesses
  > > in foreign countries
  > >
  > >
 > Win98, 15" 1024x768. Looks good in Mozilla 1.4RC and IE 5.5. Lettering
 > is ok on darker shades of purple, but lighter shades hard to read.
 > Computer graphic has more squigglies underneath in Mozilla.
 >
 > On that form, if you take out "address" and just use "email" it may line
 > up better.

Will try that.
 >
 > Like the bird
 >
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"Charles Sweeney" <me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
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 > "Bill Logan" <blogan DeleteThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in message
 > news:3f305540$1@clear.net.nz...
  > > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
  > > words of caution
  > > 1. Site is riddled with tables
  > > 2. Site uses js
  > > 3. Site has pop ups
  > >
  > > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
  > > turned off - then don't bother.
  > > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
 > the
  > > box' compatibility
  > >
  > > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
 >
 > Works fine in my IE6 on XP.
 >
 > Graphics look a bit fuzzy.

Have a wee dram then take another look - I did a lot of the work that way so
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"Matt Probert" <www RemoveThis @probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
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 > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:28 +1200 "Bill Logan" <blogan RemoveThis @clear.net.nz>
 > broke off from drinking a cup of tea at CLEAR Net New Zealand
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.clear.net.nz" target="_blank">http://www.clear.net.nz</a> - Complaints abuse RemoveThis @clear.net.nz to write:
 >
  > >Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
  > >words of caution
  > >1. Site is riddled with tables
  > >2. Site uses js
  > >3. Site has pop ups
  > >
  > >So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
  > >turned off - then don't bother.
  > >I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
the
  > >box' compatibility
  > >
  > >If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
  > >http://www.onlinekiwi.net/
  > >
  > >Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses
only
  > >so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or
businesses
  > >in foreign countries
  > >
 >
 > Er, I think I meet the required criteria.....<g>

er, maybe???
 >
 > That Kiwi reminds me of something out of a Freddy Kruger film......
Is that action or the warm fuzzies?


 >
 > The yellow is hard to read on the purple, the font is too small, and
 > it all looks ragged, not smooth, on my out of the box, full windowed,
 > IE6 system at 1024x768 on a 19 inch monitor.
 >
Ok, I know now what does not work - suggestions?

I'm thinking telling folk best viewed at 600 X 800 on a 15inch, would that
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Bill Logan wrote:
 > "Matt Probert" <www.RemoveThis@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
 > news:3f30b65c.2257765@news.ntlworld.com...
  >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:28 +1200 "Bill Logan" <blogan.RemoveThis@clear.net.nz>
  >> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at CLEAR Net New Zealand
  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.clear.net.nz" target="_blank">http://www.clear.net.nz</a> - Complaints abuse.RemoveThis@clear.net.nz to write:
  >>
<font color=brown>   >>> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
   >>>
  >>
  >> Er, I think I meet the required criteria.....<g>
 >
 > er, maybe???
  >>
  >> That Kiwi reminds me of something out of a Freddy Kruger film......
 > Is that action or the warm fuzzies?
 >
  >> The yellow is hard to read on the purple, the font is too small, and
  >> it all looks ragged, not smooth, on my out of the box, full windowed,
  >> IE6 system at 1024x768 on a 19 inch monitor.
  >>
 > Ok, I know now what does not work - suggestions?
 >
 > I'm thinking telling folk best viewed at 600 X 800 on a 15inch, would
 > that work? hmmmm

LOL: Mr Logan, go wash your mouth out with soap and stand in the corner for
an hour. ;o)

Matt is right about the yellow/purple combination - making the text larger
may help.

The 'compare plans page has some issues:
o HTML needs a tweak on the webmail row.
o background colour misses a change on the 'monthly price' row.
o background colour misses a change on the 'free domain' row.
I know you don't want to know this, but
o needs javascript to open when it's trivial to provide a fallback.

Overall the text-size is very small.

The Yes/No text-boxes on the order form could usefully be replaced with
check-boxes.
Is there supposed to be more under 'select your payment options here'?

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"Bill Logan" <blogan.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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 > Any graphical browser this site does not work in? Before you check some
 > words of caution
 > 1. Site is riddled with tables
 > 2. Site uses js
 > 3. Site has pop ups
 >
 > So, if you don't like tables and you don't like pop ups and you have js
 > turned off - then don't bother.
 > I am only interested in genuine feedback about graphical browser 'out of
the
 > box' compatibility
 >
 > If you are happy with those conditions then by all means please visit
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.onlinekiwi.net/</font</a>>
 >
 > Oh yes, on a commercial note - this site is targeted at NZ businesses only
 > so any offers or options suggested are not available to aliens or
businesses
 > in foreign countries
 >
Thanks to all who made some useful comments. I have made the suggested
changes where I could although it does not look much different to me. Still
needs a lot of work graphic wise but I am spending too much time responding
to site enquiry's to be able to give it any meaningful time - guess we shall
just have to live with the rest of the faults - for now.

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