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user3224

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. Archived from groups: alt>www>webmaster (more info?)

According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% 8. Safari - 0.91% >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Stefan Walker wrote: > According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) > > 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% > 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% > 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% > 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% > 8. Safari - 0.91% Is there a link, to help us evaluate the methods used to get the statistics?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Stefan Walker wrote: > According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) > > 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% > 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% > 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% > 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% > 8. Safari - 0.91% I think that figures. Notice that Firefox is number two to IE. I for one switched from IE to Firefox within the last year. Still not a kick in the pants off 90%, which is a HUGE market share. -- Charles Sweeney <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article <Xns95C082AA3B99mecharlessweeneycom.TakeThisOut@130.133.1.4>, me.TakeThisOut@charlessweeney.com says... > Stefan Walker wrote: > > > According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) > > > > 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% > > 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% > > 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% > > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > > 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% > > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% > > 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% > > 8. Safari - 0.91% > > I think that figures. Notice that Firefox is number two to IE. I for one > switched from IE to Firefox within the last year. > > Still not a kick in the pants off 90%, which is a HUGE market share. > > I've seen the same IE trend with my aawstats over the past 6 months or so. So far this month, combining the 16 sites I maintain: IE (all versions) 80% Firefox 9% Mozilla 5% Opera 3% Konquerer, Lynx, Safari etc. 3%<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Stefan Walker wrote: > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% Only 4.5%? I'm sure we can do better than that. I myself have installed on pretty much every machine I've got my hands on recently. -- Matt Bradley "Myths which are believed in tend to become true" -George Orwell<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:00:25 -0600, saz wrote: > In article <Xns95C082AA3B99mecharlessweeneycom.DeleteThis@130.133.1.4>, > me.DeleteThis@charlessweeney.com says... >> Stefan Walker wrote: >> >>> According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) >>> >>> 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% >>> 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% >>> 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% >>> 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% >>> 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% >>> 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% >>> 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% >>> 8. Safari - 0.91% >> >> I think that figures. Notice that Firefox is number two to IE. I for one >> switched from IE to Firefox within the last year. >> >> Still not a kick in the pants off 90%, which is a HUGE market share. >> >> > I've seen the same IE trend with my aawstats over the past 6 months or > so. So far this month, combining the 16 sites I maintain: > > IE (all versions) 80% > Firefox 9% > Mozilla 5% > Opera 3% > Konquerer, Lynx, Safari etc. 3% I think once MS realizes their market share is dropping quickly, they will get their act together and work harder on IE. It seems their rapid IE development stopped at the time when they killed the competition. MS works hard only when competition is chipping at them. Karim -- <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.cheapesthosting.com" target="_blank">http://www.cheapesthosting.com</a> - Innovative Web Hosting since 1998 Spam and Virus protected email - Online calendars with email notification Camera phone photos automatic transfers to your photo album (RSS Enabled)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Matt Bradley" <my_name_at.RemoveThis@equaliser.net> wrote in message news:cppg1k$de5$1@titan.btinternet.com... > Stefan Walker wrote: > > > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > > > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% > > Only 4.5%? > > I'm sure we can do better than that. I myself have installed on pretty > much every machine I've got my hands on recently. My Awstats shows IE as 80.6 and Firefox as 8.3% on 1 server. On another IE 70.8 and others 19.6% Tony -- Got the picture...Print it. JetTec perfect. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.aah-haa.com" target="_blank">http://www.aah-haa.com</a> 30% more ink <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.inkylinkusa.com" target="_blank">http://www.inkylinkusa.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

user3224

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

mbstevens wrote: > Stefan Walker wrote: > > >>According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) >> >> 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% >> 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% >> 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% >> 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% >> 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% >> 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% >> 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% >> 8. Safari - 0.91% > > > Is there a link, to help us evaluate the methods > used to get the statistics? > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox34.html" target="_blank">http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox34.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

user94

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

saz wrote: > In article <Xns95C082AA3B99mecharlessweeneycom.TakeThisOut@130.133.1.4>, > me.TakeThisOut@charlessweeney.com says... >> Stefan Walker wrote: >> >> > According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) >> > >> > 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% >> > 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% >> > 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% >> > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% >> > 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% >> > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% >> > 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% >> > 8. Safari - 0.91% >> >> I think that figures. Notice that Firefox is number two to IE. I >> for one switched from IE to Firefox within the last year. >> >> Still not a kick in the pants off 90%, which is a HUGE market share. >> >> > I've seen the same IE trend with my aawstats over the past 6 months or > so. So far this month, combining the 16 sites I maintain: > > IE (all versions) 80% > Firefox 9% > Mozilla 5% > Opera 3% > Konquerer, Lynx, Safari etc. 3% Interesting. -- Charles Sweeney <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Tony wrote: > My Awstats shows IE as 80.6 and Firefox as 8.3% on 1 server. Virtually the same as saz's. Most interesting. -- Charles Sweeney <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Stefan Walker wrote: > mbstevens wrote: >> Stefan Walker wrote: >> >> >>>According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) >>> >>> 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% >>> 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% >>> 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% >>> 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% >>> 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% >>> 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% >>> 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% >>> 8. Safari - 0.91% >> >> >> Is there a link, to help us evaluate the methods >> used to get the statistics? >> > <font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox34.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox34.html</font</a>> My own subjective opinion is that onestat is right about Foxie gaining market share rapidly. But their description of methodology on the page you sent -- 1) does not address their method of determining whether a particular browser is IN FACT being used, 2) nor does it support exactly how the visitors that visit sites using their services can accurately be described as 'global'. "Methodology: A global usage share of xx percent for browser Y means that xx percent of the visitors of Internet users arrived at sites that are using one of OneStat.com's services by using browser Y. All numbers mentioned in the research are averages of last week and all measurements are normalised to the GMT timezone. Research is based on a sample of 2 million visitors divided into 20,000 visitors of 100 countries each day." I'll just stick with using the better browser, which is Firefox or Mozilla, or even Konqueror or Opera. -- mbstevens <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mbstevens.com" target="_blank">http://www.mbstevens.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

> "Research is based on a sample of 2 million > visitors divided into 20,000 visitors of 100 countries each day." This part also bothers me. Are they saying that you can: 1) take 20,000 visitors from Luxemborg 2) take 20,000 visitors from China ....and then give these two samples equal weight??? Or are they saying something quite completely different? Given the sentence, you can't tell what the averaging method is. You have to know the details of the averaging method to trust a statistic!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Karim wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:00:25 -0600, saz wrote: > > I think once MS realizes their market share is dropping quickly, they will > get their act together and work harder on IE. It seems their rapid IE > development stopped at the time when they killed the competition. MS works > hard only when competition is chipping at them. The natural order of cpaitalism, which is why we have monopoly laws. Shame the US DOJ can't seem to enforce them, and it is left up to the OSS movement to fill the hole in the ground where Netscape used to be. -- Matt Bradley "Myths which are believed in tend to become true" -George Orwell<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

mbstevens wrote: >>"Research is based on a sample of 2 million >>visitors divided into 20,000 visitors of 100 countries each day." > > > This part also bothers me. > > Are they saying that you can: > 1) take 20,000 visitors from Luxemborg > 2) take 20,000 visitors from China > ...and then give these two samples equal weight??? > > Or are they saying something quite completely different? > Given the sentence, you can't tell what the averaging method is. > > You have to know the details of the averaging method to trust a statistic! > > > > Like I said 'pich of salt' - However, all the trends seem to show a downturn in IE. According to some articles I've read, the Microsoft eye is starting to twitch at the inroads Firefox is making into the browser community. Didn't the developers recently take out a full page ad in the New York times?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>www>webmaster, others (more info?)

Em Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:30:00 +0000, Stefan Walker <stefan.walkerJUNKFILTER@fsmail.net> escreveu: > According to Onestat (pinch of salt may be required) > > 1. Microsoft IE 6.0 - 80.95% > 2. Microsoft IE 5.0 - 4.18% > 3. Microsoft IE 5.5 - 3.66% > 4. Mozilla Firefox 0.1 - 2.79% > 5. Mozilla 1.x - 2.77% > 6. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - 1.79% > 7. Opera 7.x - 1.29% > 8. Safari - 0.91% Stats really don't mean much. These are our stats for November 2004: MS Internet Explorer 55 % Opera 30.1 % Firefox 8.7 % Wget 2.4 % Mozilla 2 % Netscape 0.6 % Unknown 0.6 % Avant Browser 0.1 % Safari 0 % Konqueror 0 % -- Kerberos. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.opera.com" target="_blank">http://www.opera.com</a> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.freebsd.org" target="_blank">http://www.freebsd.org</a> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.osresources.com" target="_blank">http://www.osresources.com</a> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://exodus.jabberstudio.org" target="_blank">http://exodus.jabberstudio.org</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I.E's market share less than 90% for first time in 5 years.

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