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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:40 pm
Post subject: html optimisation
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| can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on average.
any pros/cons?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:53 pm
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yes wrote:
> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
> average. any pros/cons?
> thanks
Optimise for what? Size? You don't need a tool to do that.
Simple common sense, but as a dreamweaver user, you might have some
difficulty.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:12 pm
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yes wrote:
> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on average.
> any pros/cons?
> thanks
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Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
you'd never need it anyway.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:26 pm
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"SpaceGirl" <NOtheSpaceGirlSPAM.TakeThisOut@subhuman.net> wrote in message
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> yes wrote:
>> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
>> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
>> average.
>> any pros/cons?
>> thanks
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> Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
> If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
> you'd never need it anyway.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:26 pm
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*yes* wrote:
> *SpaceGirl* wrote:
>> Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
>> If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
>> you'd never need it anyway.
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> has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
> thanks,
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Software is not fool proof in this area, so I fear you may have to rely
on this instead: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.csm.ornl.gov/SC99/brain.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.csm.ornl.gov/SC99/brain.jpg</a>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:26 pm
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yes wrote:
> "SpaceGirl" <NOtheSpaceGirlSPAM.DeleteThis@subhuman.net> wrote in message
> news:2sd42pF1ei5frU1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>yes wrote:
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>>>can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
>>>optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
>>>average.
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>>Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
>>If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
>>you'd never need it anyway.
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> has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
> thanks,
tidy - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://w3c.org/People/Raggett/tidy/" target="_blank">http://w3c.org/People/Raggett/tidy/</a>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:26 pm
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"yes" <y.TakeThisOut@s.com> wrote in message news:2sd25mF1j5qkeU1@uni-berlin.de...
> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on average.
> any pros/cons?
> thanks
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DreamWeaver inserts a lot of extra spaces/carriage returns for easier
readability. I don't know how to eliminate that in DreamWeaver itself, but I
simply open those html files in my favorite text editor TextPad
(http://www.textpad.com/) and use a macro to remove all "air". Don't know
about 20% but I would guess 10% easily gets removed that way.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:32 pm
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yes wrote:
> has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
> thanks,
Bwah! Learn to hand code. Or at least to hand clean-up the crap
generated by DW.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:32 pm
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"yes" <y.RemoveThis@s.com> writes:
> > yes wrote:
> >> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> >> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
> >> average.
> >> any pros/cons?
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> has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
sed -e 's/ +/ /'
pro: works
con: makes source code less readable
con: still not as good as using mod_gzip (or non-Apache equivalent) on
the server
Apache mod_gzip (and equivalents for other servers)
pro: works
con: needs you to have reasonable control of the server, a friendly
sysadmin, or a proactive sysadmin
Paying attention when writing the code in the first place
pro: works
con: requires skill, knowledge and clue
All work well with Dreamweaver, or for that matter *any* half-decent
way of writing HTML.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:37 pm
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yes y RemoveThis @s.com wrote:
> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on average.
> any pros/cons?
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Human Brain 1.01 is the industry standard *
* note that Human Brain 1.01 may not be compatible with some installations
of Windows XP
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:37 pm
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Eric Jarvis wrote:
> yes y DeleteThis @s.com wrote:
>> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
>> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
>> average. any pros/cons?
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> Human Brain 1.01 is the industry standard *
I was thinking that too, but the chap is a dreamweaver user.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:44 pm
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Andrew Urquhart useWebsiteInSignatureToReply DeleteThis @com.invalid wrote:
> *yes* wrote:
> > *SpaceGirl* wrote:
> >> Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
> >> If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
> >> you'd never need it anyway.
> >
> > has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
> > thanks,
>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://infohound.net/tidy/</font" target="_blank">http://infohound.net/tidy/</font</a>>
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> Software is not fool proof in this area, so I fear you may have to rely
<font color=purple> > on this instead: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.csm.ornl.gov/SC99/brain.jpg</font" target="_blank">http://www.csm.ornl.gov/SC99/brain.jpg</font</a>>
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Basically the problem is this. HTML is essentially a matter of associating
conceptual ideas with text and images. As yet there is NO software that
can understand a concept, any concept. So you are asking for software to
do a task that software is not suited for. Dreamweaver isn't that bad
compared to the other software around, so you won;t make any major
improvements. However the human mind is built to juggle concepts and
contexts and can do all this stuff in no time flat if it's given the
required data. Frankly I'd not bother attempting to improve on what
Dreamweaver outputs other than by learning to do it properly. Then you've
got a chance because even a well crafted piece of software like
Dreamweaver can't compete with a specialist tool, and the human brain is a
specialist tool for imposing a conceptual pattern.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 pm
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In article <2sd25mF1j5qkeU1 RemoveThis @uni-berlin.de>, yes says...
> can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
> optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on average.
I thought Dreamweaver had a tool to do this?
Yep...
Under Commands you have "Clean up HTML"
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 pm
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Conor wrote:
> Opinions personal, facts suspect.
lol
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:11 pm
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yes wrote:
> "SpaceGirl" <NOtheSpaceGirlSPAM.TakeThisOut@subhuman.net> wrote in message
> news:2sd42pF1ei5frU1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>yes wrote:
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>>>can anyone recommend a tool that works well alongside dreamweaver to
>>>optimise web pages? i hear you can trim your pages down by 20% on
>>>average.
>>>any pros/cons?
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>
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>>Probably not worth the effort unless you have an amazingly bloated page.
>>If you're designing using CSS and keeping nested tables to a minimum,
>>you'd never need it anyway.
>>
>>--
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>>x theSpaceGirl (miranda)
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> has anybody got any recommendations for *software* please
> thanks,
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arsehole.
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