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karim34112

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:05 pm
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 18:05:29 -0400, GreyWyvern wrote:

 > And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
 >
  >> Besides, what I post here is my own personal opinion.
 >
 > Funny, I thought this echo stopped months ago...
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Some people do not think right.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:55 pm
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:55 pm
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:08:33 GMT, Don wrote:

 > On 03 May 2005 Karim wrote in alt.www.webmaster
 >
  >>
  >> One more thing to add... cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling itself
  >> to others and we have very loyal customers who have been with us since
  >> 1997.
 >
 > Cheapesthosting.com and XcellWeb were founded in 1998 by a couple of software
 > engineers and web developers who couldn't find a web hosting company that
 > satisfied their needs.

The business unoffically started in 1997 and there were customers. check
whois for xcellweb.


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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:55 pm
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:55:16 +0100, Karim <karim3411.DeleteThis@yahoo.moc> wrote:

 > ...
 > cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling itself

what a pity - I'm in the market for another ASP host or two.

np - I suspect the sale would collapse at the 'due diligence' stage.

Which does raise the rather interesting question of how much a host is
worth. I'm not talking about mega-corps, but the far more common reseller
type maybe or with a private server or two running tens or hundreds of
sites.

Of those I've bought in the past, some I've been able to acquire for the
sum of their debts. The decision is simple - is the biz worth the debt?

However the recent, highly publicised (in this group), sale is at the
other end of the spectrum - the host in question is continuing to trade.
A situation that would considerably reduce the price I personally would be
willing to pay.

Coming back on track, most hosts (by volume) are resellers on a lucky
streak. Their (hosting) business has a value should they wish to sell up
and concentrate on more profitable activities.

But where to place the value? Hmmm a working guide in more traditional
ventures has been annual profit x a multiplier of maybe 3 - lets stick to
that average for the moment and hypothesise that a hosting business is
worth 3xAnnual Profit.

Well first we have the problem of actually separating out the hosting
costs and sales from the rest of the business - surely these guys can't be
paying the rent from what they get out of hosting? ok, so we work out the
figures and take a look further.

When you factor in cost of labour you find they're making a loss - no
wonder they want to sell - usually they don't know the figures, they just
know something isn't right.

Based on the calcs above they'd have to pay you to take the biz. ok
that's silly but you know what I mean.

So you know what your figutes are (I hope you do), your overhead per
account and fixed. Does that help calculate the value of the purchase?
Well it helps you calculate it's worth to you.

Another way to calculate value, if you have the figures, is to multiply
the accounts gained by your own cost of sales per account.

ok - one way or another we have a rough estimate of value. This is
probably the end of the story if the target has only a few tens of
accounts.

BTW: don't forget to factor in a figure for churn - anything from 10% to
50%. It's up to the purchaser to make that call.

Now, let's look at a bigger host, one with several thousand accounts and a
proven track record. Here we're not buying some business, we're buying a
business. Altogether a different proposition. As well as the
sales/profit figures your due diligence should identify the key players.
The purchase must be dependent on these folk remaining with the business
for at least 12 months - in fact the cash transfered should be dependent
on it as well as sales performance over that period. Further you need to
take their salaries and performance related bonus into account.

What happens next is dependent in part on what you've bought. Are there
any tangible assets? Contract obligations? Certainly you will have
discovered all this before signing the deal. The last thing you need is
to be saddled with 20 years lease rental on office space the other side of
town/country/globe.

If you've bought some business then you will want to assimilate the new
accounts into your hosting and billing structure as soon as possible - how
much time/effort will that take? If you bought a business then you have a
much bigger issue on your hands. Do you now run two completely separate
operations or do you attempt to merge them? Neither choice leads to an
easy road, good job you had the sense to tie those key players into a
contract - you have some work ahead.

So, how much is your business worth?

In any event, have fun.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:55 pm
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:50:39 +0100, William Tasso wrote:

 > On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:55:16 +0100, Karim <karim3411.RemoveThis@yahoo.moc> wrote:
 >
  >> ...
  >> cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling itself
 >
 > what a pity - I'm in the market for another ASP host or two.

Not a loss to me at all. In fact, I'll drive you to the competition. Check
out discountasp and maximumasp. People come to us for our low price, our
features and by referrals by happy customers.
Why deal with two hosts instead of one?


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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:55 am
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:55 am
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:31:00 GMT, Don wrote:

 > On 03 May 2005 Karim wrote in alt.www.webmaster
 >
  >> On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:08:33 GMT, Don wrote:
  >>
   >>> On 03 May 2005 Karim wrote in alt.www.webmaster
   >>>
   >>>>
   >>>> One more thing to add... cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling
   >>>> itself to others and we have very loyal customers who have been with
   >>>> us since 1997.
   >>>
   >>> Cheapesthosting.com and XcellWeb were founded in 1998 by a couple of
   >>> software engineers and web developers who couldn't find a web hosting
   >>> company that satisfied their needs.
  >>
  >> The business unoffically started in 1997 and there were customers. check
  >> whois for xcellweb.
  >>
  >>
 >
 > So why are you are dishonest on your site.

What part you're claiming is dishonest?


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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:55 am
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Karim wrote:
 > William Tasso wrote:
  >> Karim <karim3411.DeleteThis@yahoo.moc> wrote:
  >>
   >>> cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling itself
  >>
  >> what a pity - I'm in the market for another ASP host or two.
 >
 > Why deal with two hosts instead of one?

I think you'll find that William's in the market to *buy* a couple of
hosts -- not *use* a couple of hosts.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:55 am
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 07:54:17 +0100, Toby Inkster
<usenet200504 DeleteThis @tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote:

 > Karim wrote:
  >> William Tasso wrote:
   >>> Karim <karim3411 DeleteThis @yahoo.moc> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling itself
   >>>
   >>> what a pity - I'm in the market for another ASP host or two.
  >>
  >> Why deal with two hosts instead of one?
 >
 > I think you'll find that William's in the market to *buy* a couple of
 > hosts -- not *use* a couple of hosts.

Bingo Smile

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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Karim wrote

 > Companies that do wrong do not survive. As Sweeney's little
 > malpractice host has proved

The above statement is a libelous, wholely fabricated, malicious lie.

This is why I warn readers to avoid him, as others have also said.

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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Karim wrote

 > One more thing to add... cheapesthosting.com has no plans of selling
 > itself to others

Aye, because no-one would be fucking interested in being associated with a
business of a cheat and a liar!!

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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Don wrote

 > On 03 May 2005 Karim wrote in alt.www.webmaster
  >> The business unoffically started in 1997 and there were customers.
check
  >> whois for xcellweb.
  >>
  >>
 >
 > So why are you are dishonest on your site.

Dishonesty comes naturally to him.

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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Karim wrote

 > What part you're claiming is dishonest?

Any part associated with a despicable cheat and liar like you.

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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William Tasso wrote

[good stuff]

Then there's the value of the domain name, which I suppose you could
compare to goodwill in a bricks and mortar business.

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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 am
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Karim wrote

 > People come to us

People come to you when their medication has run out.

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