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Charging up on a white horse Kkiely said:

: 1. I am under the impression that there is no service involved -
: i buy the name and dont talk to the company again. Am i wrong?

Yes but that is okay. No you will have to register your domain again every
year so you will keep contact etc. with the company. I have been with
directnic.com for several years now.

: Is buying from the cheapest a bad move or are the $20/year sites just
charging a
: premiumprice for nothing?

Most of the time yes. Directnic.com is $15 per year but you get some great
bonus services you might find of use to you. They are very responsive and
always asking our feedback on how to make the service better.

: 2. If I buy a domain name from Company A and host the page on Company
: B and decide that I want to change my hosting company from Company B to
: Company C, will Company A have anything to do with the change?

well depends. With Directnic.com I am in charge of my domains and where they
point etc so if I change hosting it is up to me to log into my account there
and change the DNS.

: Will i need to have a "transfer domain" option or something or is this
something i
: look for with my hosting company?

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT have your hosting company register your domain as
well. Very bad idea. Too many times I have seen that someone wanted to leave
a host and could not take their domain with them. Better to use two seperate
companies for each, one for the domain and one for hosting.

With that said transferring a domain would be done with the registrar you
went with to get your domain. That only needs to be done if you want to
leave them and switch to another registrar.

Personally with so many cheats out there combined with the excellent service
of directnic.com I am staying put but I could leave if I really wanted to.

Good luck to you. Anything else feel free to email me if you like as my
email is valid or just post here. I check this group more often than I check
the email addy I post with.

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Heidi wrote:
 > Charging up on a white horse Kkiely said:
 >
  >> 1. I am under the impression that there is no service involved -
  >> i buy the name and dont talk to the company again. Am i wrong?
 >
 > Yes but that is okay. No you will have to register your domain again
 > every year so you will keep contact etc. with the company. I have
 > been with directnic.com for several years now.

Most registrars allow you to register and pay for up to 10 years in
advance.
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"Heidi" <blackcat2.TakeThisOut@zwallet.com> wrote in message
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 > Do not, I repeat, DO NOT have your hosting company register your domain as
 > well. Very bad idea.

While that may be YOUR preference...its not right for everyone.


 > Too many times I have seen that someone wanted to leave
 > a host and could not take their domain with them.

Make sure you know who the registrar is, make sure you're listed as the
registrant and admin contact...and you'll have no problems.


 > Better to use two seperate
 > companies for each, one for the domain and one for hosting.

Actually, alot of people prefer to deal with ONE company for both services.
It makes sense in alot of cases.

Just don't get swept up into a situation like Featureprice customers
did...where they had no clue where their domains were registered at and had
no way of updating their information.


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In article <vjllt0km9ndb86.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
tpeters.DeleteThis@affordablehost.com says...
 >
 > "Heidi" <blackcat2.DeleteThis@zwallet.com> wrote in message
 > news:koz_a.167873$hV.11230182@twister.austin.rr.com...
  > > Do not, I repeat, DO NOT have your hosting company register your domain as
  > > well. Very bad idea.
 >
 > While that may be YOUR preference...its not right for everyone.

This just isn't right, Tina. You know Heidi doesn't read your posts so
I'm gonna step in for a minute and just say a few things that are,
admittedly my opinion and yes, my experience ... has nothing to do with
preference.

It is a bad idea because when you put all your eggs in one basket and
somebody drops the whole shebang ... well, just ask humpty dumpty.

The reason I think it's a bad idea for YOU to be suggesting that the OP
puts all his/her eggs in one basket is because of a history of
complaints in this NG about that very situation ... you guys forgot to
renew or the registrar forgot or somebody messed up and people had to
ransom their domains back in one way or another.

 >
 >
  > > Too many times I have seen that someone wanted to leave
  > > a host and could not take their domain with them.
 >
 > Make sure you know who the registrar is, make sure you're listed as the
 > registrant and admin contact...and you'll have no problems.
 >
 >
  > > Better to use two seperate
  > > companies for each, one for the domain and one for hosting.
 >
 > Actually, alot of people prefer to deal with ONE company for both services.
 > It makes sense in alot of cases.

No ... it's one-stop shopping and one less password to remember. How
lazy is that!?!

 >
 > Just don't get swept up into a situation like Featureprice customers
 > did...where they had no clue where their domains were registered at and had
 > no way of updating their information.

Honest to Goddess, I'm not trying to pick on you, Tina ... but your
advice is contradictory to the horror stories we've heard in this NG.

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Charging up on a white horse rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski said:
: Most registrars allow you to register and pay for up to 10 years in
: advance.

Yes that is true as well but I prefer to pay yearly just in case I decide
I no longer have use for the domain which happens.

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"TechnoHippie" <technohippie DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > In article <vjllt0km9ndb86 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
 > tpeters DeleteThis @affordablehost.com says...
  > >
  > > "Heidi" <blackcat2 DeleteThis @zwallet.com> wrote in message
  > > news:koz_a.167873$hV.11230182@twister.austin.rr.com...
   > > > Do not, I repeat, DO NOT have your hosting company register your
domain as
   > > > well. Very bad idea.
  > >
  > > While that may be YOUR preference...its not right for everyone.
 >
 > This just isn't right, Tina. You know Heidi doesn't read your posts so
 > I'm gonna step in for a minute and just say a few things that are,
 > admittedly my opinion and yes, my experience ... has nothing to do with
 > preference.
 >
 > It is a bad idea because when you put all your eggs in one basket and
 > somebody drops the whole shebang ... well, just ask humpty dumpty.
 >
 > The reason I think it's a bad idea for YOU to be suggesting that the OP
 > puts all his/her eggs in one basket is because of a history of
 > complaints in this NG about that very situation ... you guys forgot to
 > renew or the registrar forgot or somebody messed up and people had to
 > ransom their domains back in one way or another.
 >
  > >
  > >
   > > > Too many times I have seen that someone wanted to leave
   > > > a host and could not take their domain with them.
  > >
  > > Make sure you know who the registrar is, make sure you're listed as the
  > > registrant and admin contact...and you'll have no problems.
  > >
  > >
   > > > Better to use two seperate
   > > > companies for each, one for the domain and one for hosting.
  > >
  > > Actually, alot of people prefer to deal with ONE company for both
services.
  > > It makes sense in alot of cases.
 >
 > No ... it's one-stop shopping and one less password to remember. How
 > lazy is that!?!
 >
  > >
  > > Just don't get swept up into a situation like Featureprice customers
  > > did...where they had no clue where their domains were registered at and
had
  > > no way of updating their information.
 >
 > Honest to Goddess, I'm not trying to pick on you, Tina ... but your
 > advice is contradictory to the horror stories we've heard in this NG.

There shouldn't be a problem registering your name through your host.

The CRUCIAL thing is to ensure that it is registered in your own name.

My first domain was registered through my host, perfectly reputable, and a
perfectly good service with no problems.

I suspect what happens is, and where the problems stem from, is that
generally people who go for the one-stop deal are new to the internet, and
don't understand the difference between a host, ISP, registrar, registrant
or registry.

To say it is a bad thing as such, is wrong.

Where do you draw the line? Don't use your host's database or email, but
use seperate servers? That way you don't have all your eggs in one basket?

I know Mr Tasso would recommend different servers for these, but more for
operating reasons!
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In article <bhfmvo$6v7k$1@ID-162618.news.uni-berlin.de>,
me.TakeThisOut@charlessweeney.com says...
<snip>
 > To say it is a bad thing as such, is wrong.

I thought about this alot after I posted and quess what ... I agree with
you. It isn't a bad thing as such ... if that's how people want to
manage their domain needs, they should feel confident that their
business is being looked after as diligently as possible.

Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case in many, many posts that I read
here and elsewhere. I tend not to listen much to screamers who don't
have a clue in the first place ... but I've been hearing alot from
people who have been there, done that, and wouldn't recommend it.

 > Where do you draw the line? Don't use your host's database or email, but
 > use seperate servers? That way you don't have all your eggs in one basket?

Well, it's one thing for your website to be down or a forum messed up or
glitchy email ... those things work themselves out shortly. When your
domain name goes into administrative hold because your renewal didn't
register or you misunderstood that the first year was on the house but
you are responsible for upkeep ... and you aren't given any details ---

You get my point?
So I won't say it's bad. I just don't think it's the smartest way to
go.

 > I know Mr Tasso would recommend different servers for these, but more for
 > operating reasons!

Sorry if I stepped on some toes ... I can be a caustic bitch without
even trying. I'm working on it

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"TechnoHippie" <technohippie.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > In article <vjllt0km9ndb86.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
 > tpeters.RemoveThis@affordablehost.com says...
  > >
  > > "Heidi" <blackcat2.RemoveThis@zwallet.com> wrote in message
  > > news:koz_a.167873$hV.11230182@twister.austin.rr.com...
   > > > Do not, I repeat, DO NOT have your hosting company register your
domain as
   > > > well. Very bad idea.
  > >
  > > While that may be YOUR preference...its not right for everyone.
 >
 > This just isn't right, Tina. You know Heidi doesn't read your posts so
 > I'm gonna step in for a minute and just say a few things that are,
 > admittedly my opinion and yes, my experience ... has nothing to do with
 > preference.
 >
 > It is a bad idea because when you put all your eggs in one basket and
 > somebody drops the whole shebang ... well, just ask humpty dumpty.

I respectfully disagree. You're not putting your eggs all in one
basket...because the host is not in charge of your domain, even if you
register it through them, the registrar is.

As long as you actually understand the process, there is absolutely NO
reason not to allow a host to register a domain name for you.


 > The reason I think it's a bad idea for YOU to be suggesting that the OP
 > puts all his/her eggs in one basket is because of a history of
 > complaints in this NG about that very situation ... you guys forgot to
 > renew or the registrar forgot or somebody messed up and people had to
 > ransom their domains back in one way or another.


Again, as long as you actually understand that the host is NOT the
registrar...you'll be fine. Trouble brews when people assume that a hosting
fee covers hosting and domain registrations....or when someone updates their
email address with the hosting company, but doesn't realize they have to do
it at the registrar too.

As long as you know who your actual registrar is...and you make sure your
name is listed as the registrant and the admin contact, there is absolutely
no logical reason whatsoever not to register through your host. Your host
doesn't have some magical power over your domain name and you are free to
switch hosts, move to a new registrar, update your domain name record, etc.

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In article <vjn9m933qf65f0 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
tpeters DeleteThis @affordablehost.com says...
<snip>
 > Again, as long as you actually understand that the host is NOT the
 > registrar...you'll be fine. Trouble brews when people assume that a hosting
 > fee covers hosting and domain registrations....or when someone updates their
 > email address with the hosting company, but doesn't realize they have to do
 > it at the registrar too.
 >
 > As long as you know who your actual registrar is...and you make sure your
 > name is listed as the registrant and the admin contact, there is absolutely
 > no logical reason whatsoever not to register through your host. Your host
 > doesn't have some magical power over your domain name and you are free to
 > switch hosts, move to a new registrar, update your domain name record, etc.

I really do agree with you on this, Tina. The problem I'm stuck on is
that most folks who do this, don't understand the process.

Did I ever tell you why I got out of the computer repair business? It
was the repeat customers ... the ones you can't help or teach no matter
how much you bill them

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"Heidi" <blackcat2 DeleteThis @zwallet.com> wrote in message
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 > Charging up on a white horse rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski said:
 > : Most registrars allow you to register and pay for up to 10 years in
 > : advance.
 >
 > Yes that is true as well but I prefer to pay yearly just in case I decide
 > I no longer have use for the domain which happens.

You bet it does!
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Charles Sweeney wrote:
 >
 > ...
 > Where do you draw the line? Don't use your host's database or email,
 > but use seperate servers? That way you don't have all your eggs in
 > one basket?

don't forget your DNS servers ;o)

 > I know Mr Tasso would recommend different servers for these, but more
 > for operating reasons!

speaking of which (and I realise this is probably the wrong group) anyone
have any recommendations for a mail server. I am ambivilent about
platform/manufacturer being more interested in security, reliability,
performance, capacity and functionality in that order.

Server will be colocated out in the wild - so recommendations for a decent
colo pit [1] are also welcome - and will need to support thousands of
mailboxes/aliases at hundreds of domains without a hiccup.

[1] near Heathrow/Twickenham would be splendid ;o)
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"Kkiely" <kkiely.RemoveThis@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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 > 1. What are the differences between the companies that offer domain name
 > selling? I am under the impression that there is no service involved - i
buy
 > the name and dont talk to the company again. Am i wrong? Is buying from
the
 > cheapest a bad move or are the $20/year sites just charging a premium
price for
 > nothing?
Depends on the company. Many of the smaller resellers like ourselves offer
prices lower than any registrar, (ours is $8 or less) and often offer as
many, if not more services than the larger registrars.


 > 2. If I buy a domain name from Company A and host the page on Company B
and
 > decide that I want to change my hosting company from Company B to Company
C,
 > will Company A have anything to do with the change? Will i need to have
a
 > "transfer domain" option or something or is this something i look for with
my
 > hosting company?

It will depend on several factors, the most obvious is if company A also
manages the dns you are using. If that is the case then either they will
need to change that for you (usually no charge for that) or as is more
likely these days, you will just log into your account with them and change
the dns yourself.

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"Heidi" <blackcat2 RemoveThis @zwallet.com> wrote in
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 > Charging up on a white horse rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski said:
 >: Most registrars allow you to register and pay for up to 10
 >: years in
 >: advance.
 >
 > Yes that is true as well but I prefer to pay yearly just in case I
 > decide I no longer have use for the domain which happens.
 >
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 >

Example: Ran a fantasy sports site. The plan was to build it up to
espn.com standards over the next two years. My vision saw it running 10
years. Got a cease and decist letter from the NFL (American Football)
and was forced to take it down before it even got off the ground. (You
have to license every players name and likeness!!)

Had I paid for the ten years I would be not-so-happy. Happily it
expires soon and I am not really out that much money. You never know
what will happen...

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