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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: A decade of good website design Archived from groups: alt>www>webmaster (more info?)

Interesting article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm -- Charles Sweeney http://CharlesSweeney.com >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Charles Sweeney wrote: <font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font</a>> A decade of good website design? I must have fallen asleep! Interestingly enough, Nielsen doesn't actually say that at all, but he does say that 80% of the problems of 10 years ago are still an issue now and that we still have a long way to go. What do I find amazing is his /prediction/ that search engines will be important in the future (shock!) :\ -- Dylan Parry <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://webpageworkshop.co.uk" target="_blank">http://webpageworkshop.co.uk</a> -- FREE Web tutorials and references<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Dylan Parry wrote: > Charles Sweeney wrote: > <font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font</a>> > > A decade of good website design? I must have fallen asleep! > > Interestingly enough, Nielsen doesn't actually say that at all, but he > does say that 80% of the problems of 10 years ago are still an issue now > and that we still have a long way to go. > > What do I find amazing is his /prediction/ that search engines will be > important in the future (shock!) :\ I thought it was interesting that he cited the success of ebay, google, amazon and yahoo despite none of them being "fancy" or "glamorous". -- Charles Sweeney <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Charles Sweeney wrote: > I thought it was interesting that he cited the success of ebay, google, > amazon and yahoo despite none of them being "fancy" or "glamorous". Indeed! On the flip side, I personally find ebay and yahoo to be over-cluttered in their design and a bit of a bugger to use. Google I like because of its being plain, and Amazon is nice even though it's a bit cluttered because it's easy to use IMHO. -- Dylan Parry <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://webpageworkshop.co.uk" target="_blank">http://webpageworkshop.co.uk</a> -- FREE Web tutorials and references<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Dylan Parry wrote: > Charles Sweeney wrote: > >> I thought it was interesting that he cited the success of ebay, google, >> amazon and yahoo despite none of them being "fancy" or "glamorous". > > Indeed! On the flip side, I personally find ebay and yahoo to be > over-cluttered in their design and a bit of a bugger to use. Google I > like because of its being plain, and Amazon is nice even though it's a > bit cluttered because it's easy to use IMHO. Yes, I agree that ebay, amazon and yahoo are a bit cluttered. Just shows you it doesn't have to be perfect to succeed! -- Charles Sweeney <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Charles Sweeney wrote: > Yes, I agree that ebay, amazon and yahoo are a bit cluttered. Just shows > you it doesn't have to be perfect to succeed! Heh, you just have to have a "Patent Pending" on just about everything under the sun -- Dylan Parry <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://webpageworkshop.co.uk" target="_blank">http://webpageworkshop.co.uk</a> -- FREE Web tutorials and references<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Charles: > Yes, I agree that ebay, amazon and yahoo are a bit cluttered. Just shows > you it doesn't have to be perfect to succeed! If you offer such in-demand content as those sites, agreed, imperfection can be overcome. If you're more like the rest of us, you really can't afford to make the mistakes those sites make.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Matt: > In-demand content? Amazon - books; ebay - an auction site. Invent the > need then provide the solution. So, you're saying people didn't want to buy books online till Amazon came along? With Ebay, ok. But still, whether it's a need you're filling or a need you're creating, it all starts with content people will want to use.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned Dylan Parry <usenet DeleteThis @dylanparry.com> who replied: >Charles Sweeney wrote: > <font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font</a>> > >A decade of good website design? I must have fallen asleep! > >Interestingly enough, Nielsen doesn't actually say that at all, but he >does say that 80% of the problems of 10 years ago are still an issue now >and that we still have a long way to go. > >What do I find amazing is his /prediction/ that search engines will be >important in the future (shock!) :\ Important? As in I can not obtain bread, milk, cheese, beer, cigarettes or a school place for my daughter without them? Technology has an odd way of inventing the need then inventing the solution in a never ending circle of chasing one's own tail. Hello, I'm back in luddite mode! <g> Matt -- If your encyclopaedia doesn't list "widget glass", you're reading the wrong encyclopaedia. The Probert Encyclopaedia. Its not the same. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com" target="_blank">http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned Neal <neal413.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> who replied: >Charles: > >> Yes, I agree that ebay, amazon and yahoo are a bit cluttered. Just shows >> you it doesn't have to be perfect to succeed! > >If you offer such in-demand content as those sites, agreed, imperfection >can be overcome. In-demand content? Amazon - books; ebay - an auction site. Invent the need then provide the solution. > >If you're more like the rest of us, you really can't afford to make the >mistakes those sites make. See above.... Matt -- If your encyclopaedia doesn't list "widget glass", you're reading the wrong encyclopaedia. The Probert Encyclopaedia. Its not the same. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com" target="_blank">http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2004-12-07, Charles Sweeney <me.RemoveThis@charlessweeney.com> wrote: > Interesting article: > <font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm</font</a>> > The article is by and large one man's impression...I would disagree with a number of the observations. However, what I found most interesting and most objectionable is the assumption, based on the doubling of the number of words in a user search request, that users are becoming more sophisticated. That's utter nonsense. The numbers of terms has increased simply because the amount of contention has increased to unimaginable level between '94 and '04....not because the users are becoming more sophisticated. ken<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Matt: > Dylan: >> What do I find amazing is his /prediction/ that search engines will be >> important in the future (shock!) :\ > > Important? As in I can not obtain bread, milk, cheese, beer, > cigarettes or a school place for my daughter without them? Don't confuse "important" with "necessary". There's a degree of difference there. I read that as the search engines will more and more become the first thing an internet user will turn to for finding anything. I think it's mostly that way already, though. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the future. Imagine one site to go to where every web site you could possibly get to (with the obvious limits like "just went up today" or "dynamically generated") is categorized for your searching convenience...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Charles Sweeney wrote: > Yes, I agree that ebay, amazon and yahoo are a bit cluttered. Just > shows you it doesn't have to be perfect to succeed! > > -- > Charles Sweeney <font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com</font" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</font</a>> Is Amazon successful? -- dp<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Neal wrote: > Matt: > > So, you're saying people didn't want to buy books online till Amazon > came along? > Not that they didn't want to, but they didn't realize they could. I remember Amazon as a single page list of titles links to buy. Radical stuff at the time. -- dp<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: A decade of good website design [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 7 Dec 2004 11:20:21 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com> wrote: >Interesting article: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4061093.stm Nielsen... he's a guy that once had interesting ideas and quite some influence, but has not contributed anything worthy in many many years. I mean, a usability expert that has THIS website: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.useit.com/" target="_blank">http://www.useit.com/</a> I cannot take seriously... Kind regards, Jurgen Nijhuis Argos Media Solutions <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.argosmedia.net" target="_blank">www.argosmedia.net</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: A decade of good website design

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