alignment question

Thats fucking cool. I did it.
And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are for
tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It works in
Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that in Netscape the
bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but I can fix that. Anyway,
if you want to see it, its at http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/ Any input
would be appreciated. Im pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up so
that I'll make somewhere around $100 for every business card I make. Anyway,
Ive been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =)
Signing off,
Erik
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3rik wrote:

 > Okay Im in the process of making a website. Im making the main page in
 > photoshop and then ill cut out the pieces and form a webpage like I always
 > do. Anyway, I have a picture of an earth on a box that goes into 2 other
 > boxes with gaps in between. Would I be able to align that properly ? And if
 > so, could someone please tell me the method in which I would go about doing
 > something like that. Would I use tables ?
 >
 > Im sure you dont have any clue what Im talking about, so you can check it
 > out yourself. I started off with just the one piece of the earth like it is
<font color=purple> > here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font</a>>
 >
 > And then as I went on I got the idea to make the 2 other pieces, but in
 > order for it to work it would have to be aligned exactly how it is now. Its
<font color=purple> > here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font</a>>
 >
 > Would this be possible, Im not sure if I could do it using my knowledge of
 > web design.
 > Also, Id like a little input as to whether that is even a cool effect or not
 > ? it might be a bit overboard.
 >
 > As far as how I was going to design it before the earths. I was gonna do the
 > top all in cut up gif's and then just use tables for the bottom half. A gif
 > for the top of the table and a background image for the inside of the table.
 > The left Table or square is going to be used for Banner links to my other
 > sites and possibly some Latest News or something along those lines, I would
 > just use the picture of the earth as the background image for that table as
 > well.. I just dont think I would be able to align it right.
 >
 > Anyway, thanks alot for your help.
 > Erik Smith
 >
 > PS. The site is no where near finished, but if anyone were to have any
 > critiques on what I have now (or ideas), I would be happy to hear them. =)

Eric Jarvis posted this link a few days ago:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/</a>

Navigate to the page
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html</a>

As far as I can tell it has exactly what you want. The bad thing? It
doesn't use tables so you'd need to use <div> tags and css positioning,
and you need a workaround for some dodgy implementation of css in IE.
But I think that is the effect you are looking for.

As for the design in general... Pretty good (although I assume it will
be a liquid design, that is, take up the full width of the page - don't
worry, this is easy peaser with css! The only thing is how much black
border you have - I would make it much thinner (you also get more room
that way) and possibly make it a shade of grey. Black doesn't really go
with your banner and navigation. I would make all your borders a fairly
light grey, including that fountain fill, and make the darker grey box
(I assume that's where the content goes) a lighter grey still. That also
means that there will be more contrast between your background and text,
which is good.

HTH<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"David Venn-Brown" <davidvb.RemoveThis@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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 > 3rik wrote:
 >
  > > Okay Im in the process of making a website. Im making the main page in
  > > photoshop and then ill cut out the pieces and form a webpage like I
always
  > > do. Anyway, I have a picture of an earth on a box that goes into 2 other
  > > boxes with gaps in between. Would I be able to align that properly ? And
if
  > > so, could someone please tell me the method in which I would go about
doing
  > > something like that. Would I use tables ?
  > >
  > > Im sure you dont have any clue what Im talking about, so you can check
it
  > > out yourself. I started off with just the one piece of the earth like it
is
<font color=green>  > > here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font</a>>
  > >
  > > And then as I went on I got the idea to make the 2 other pieces, but in
  > > order for it to work it would have to be aligned exactly how it is now.
Its
<font color=green>  > > here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font</a>>
  > >
  > > Would this be possible, Im not sure if I could do it using my knowledge
of
  > > web design.
  > > Also, Id like a little input as to whether that is even a cool effect or
not
  > > ? it might be a bit overboard.
  > >
  > > As far as how I was going to design it before the earths. I was gonna do
the
  > > top all in cut up gif's and then just use tables for the bottom half. A
gif
  > > for the top of the table and a background image for the inside of the
table.
  > > The left Table or square is going to be used for Banner links to my
other
  > > sites and possibly some Latest News or something along those lines, I
would
  > > just use the picture of the earth as the background image for that table
as
  > > well.. I just dont think I would be able to align it right.
  > >
  > > Anyway, thanks alot for your help.
  > > Erik Smith
  > >
  > > PS. The site is no where near finished, but if anyone were to have any
  > > critiques on what I have now (or ideas), I would be happy to hear them.
=)
 >
 > Eric Jarvis posted this link a few days ago:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/</font" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/</font</a>>
 >
 > Navigate to the page
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html</font</a>>
 >
 > As far as I can tell it has exactly what you want. The bad thing? It
 > doesn't use tables so you'd need to use <div> tags and css positioning,
 > and you need a workaround for some dodgy implementation of css in IE.
 > But I think that is the effect you are looking for.
 >

That is a very cool effect. But I was really just looking for a way to make
the images/tables align properly.I dont think I would want the earth image
to remain in the same spot as the page scrolled. Would it be possible for me
to simply align it all perfectly using CSS ?

 > As for the design in general... Pretty good (although I assume it will
 > be a liquid design, that is, take up the full width of the page - don't
 > worry, this is easy peaser with css!

Nah, I was just planning on centering what you saw and making the background
black. If I wanted to make it liquid I would have to start all over wouldnt
I ? Otherwise it would severly distort my graphics, right ? I have alway
make my pages for 1064 screenwidth, but have leanr

 >The only thing is how much black
 > border you have - I would make it much thinner (you also get more room
 > that way) and possibly make it a shade of grey. Black doesn't really go
 > with your banner and navigation. I would make all your borders a fairly
 > light grey, including that fountain fill, and make the darker grey box
 > (I assume that's where the content goes) a lighter grey still. That also
 > means that there will be more contrast between your background and text,
 > which is good.
 >
 > HTH
 >
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"David Venn-Brown" <davidvb DeleteThis @ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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 > 3rik wrote:
 >
 ><snip>
 >
 > Eric Jarvis posted this link a few days ago:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/</font" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/</font</a>>
 >
 > Navigate to the page
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html</font</a>>
 >
 > As far as I can tell it has exactly what you want. The bad thing? It
 > doesn't use tables so you'd need to use <div> tags and css positioning,
 > and you need a workaround for some dodgy implementation of css in IE.
 > But I think that is the effect you are looking for.
 >

OOPS I accidentally sent that first message by accident. I was not finished.
Heres the finished post. =)

That is a very cool effect and I will use it for future projects. But I was
really just looking for a way to make
the images/tables align properly. I dont think I would want the earth image
to remain in the same spot as the page scrolled. Would it be possible for me
to simply align it all perfectly using CSS ?

 > As for the design in general... Pretty good (although I assume it will
 > be a liquid design, that is, take up the full width of the page - don't
 > worry, this is easy peaser with css!

Nah, I was just planning on centering what you saw and making the background
black. If I wanted to make it liquid I would have to start all over wouldnt
I ? Otherwise it would severly distort my graphics, right ?

 >The only thing is how much black
 > border you have - I would make it much thinner (you also get more room
 > that way) and possibly make it a shade of grey.

I wasnt quite sure if you meant borders as in the actual borders or the
background. But I expanded what would be my tables and made all the borders
a lighter grey, and I do like it better. its here
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack2.gif" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack2.gif</a>

 >Black doesn't really go
 > with your banner and navigation. I would make all your borders a fairly
 > light grey, including that fountain fill, and make the darker grey box
 > (I assume that's where the content goes) a lighter grey still. That also
 > means that there will be more contrast between your background and text,
 > which is good.

I was planning on making the text that will be typed into the darker grey
box, white. As shown in my new gif. I dont think grey would be good for the
background because well, I just dont like an all grey background. But what
do you think about it being white ?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXwhite.gif" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXwhite.gif</a>

It was actually originally white when I first started. I think I might like
it better. Seems to make it appear "cleaner".

I was thinking, If I were to make the two tables the exact same size and
then align the blue table all the way to the left of the page and then make
some sort of big blank spacer for inbetween the menu and tables as well as a
spacer for inbetween the tables or just use one table with three columns and
specify an exact pixel width for the center column, it might align. ya think
? wheeeeewww that was a big breath. lol. Always happens when I start
thinking.

 >
 > HTH
 >
 >

Anyway, thank you for your input. Its nice to get others perspectives.
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3rik wrote:

 > "David Venn-Brown" <davidvb DeleteThis @ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
 > news:4I5Ra.289$FZ6.4246@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
 >
  >>3rik wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Okay Im in the process of making a website. Im making the main page in
   >>>photoshop and then ill cut out the pieces and form a webpage like I
 >
 > always
 >
   >>>do. Anyway, I have a picture of an earth on a box that goes into 2 other
   >>>boxes with gaps in between. Would I be able to align that properly ? And
 >
 > if
 >
   >>>so, could someone please tell me the method in which I would go about
 >
 > doing
 >
   >>>something like that. Would I use tables ?
   >>>
   >>>Im sure you dont have any clue what Im talking about, so you can check
 >
 > it
 >
   >>>out yourself. I started off with just the one piece of the earth like it
 >
 > is
 >
<font color=brown>   >>>here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXblack.gif</font</a>>
   >>>
   >>>And then as I went on I got the idea to make the 2 other pieces, but in
   >>>order for it to work it would have to be aligned exactly how it is now.
 >
 > Its
 >
<font color=brown>   >>>here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXfullearth.gif</font</a>>
   >>>
   >>>Would this be possible, Im not sure if I could do it using my knowledge
 >
 > of
 >
   >>>web design.
   >>>Also, Id like a little input as to whether that is even a cool effect or
 >
 > not
 >
   >>>? it might be a bit overboard.
   >>>
   >>>As far as how I was going to design it before the earths. I was gonna do
 >
 > the
 >
   >>>top all in cut up gif's and then just use tables for the bottom half. A
 >
 > gif
 >
   >>>for the top of the table and a background image for the inside of the
 >
 > table.
 >
   >>>The left Table or square is going to be used for Banner links to my
 >
 > other
 >
   >>>sites and possibly some Latest News or something along those lines, I
 >
 > would
 >
   >>>just use the picture of the earth as the background image for that table
 >
 > as
 >
   >>>well.. I just dont think I would be able to align it right.
   >>>
   >>>Anyway, thanks alot for your help.
   >>>Erik Smith
   >>>
   >>>PS. The site is no where near finished, but if anyone were to have any
   >>>critiques on what I have now (or ideas), I would be happy to hear them.
 >
 > =)
 >
  >>Eric Jarvis posted this link a few days ago:
  >>
  >>http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
  >>
  >>Navigate to the page
  >>http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html
  >>
  >>As far as I can tell it has exactly what you want. The bad thing? It
  >>doesn't use tables so you'd need to use <div> tags and css positioning,
  >>and you need a workaround for some dodgy implementation of css in IE.
  >>But I think that is the effect you are looking for.
  >>
 >
 >
 > That is a very cool effect. But I was really just looking for a way to make
 > the images/tables align properly.I dont think I would want the earth image
 > to remain in the same spot as the page scrolled. Would it be possible for me
 > to simply align it all perfectly using CSS ?

Possible, but difficult. It was never the intention of the web that the
page display perfectly to the last pixel.

You would be lucky to be able to get css or tables to present your
design pixel-perfect regardless of browser, resolution, OS, text-size etc.

  >>As for the design in general... Pretty good (although I assume it will
  >>be a liquid design, that is, take up the full width of the page - don't
  >>worry, this is easy peaser with css!
 >
 >
 > Nah, I was just planning on centering what you saw and making the background
 > black. If I wanted to make it liquid I would have to start all over wouldnt
 > I ?

No. You have a thin bit of image to the right of "impression" which, if
made into a separate image, could be made to scale horizontally as much
as you like, which would let the banner bit move to take up the full
screen. It should be fairly easy to make at least one part of the
navigation bar adjustible in width.

To keep your alignments nice, the "bottom" part of the earth box, that
blue part, would have to remain a fixed width, but it would be
relatively easy to make the dark grey box stretch to the edge.

  > Otherwise it would severly distort my graphics, right ?

No. The secret is to have a little bit of your graphic just horizontal,
repeating horizontally or just blank colour. More by luck than good
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"David Venn-Brown" <davidvb.DeleteThis@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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 > 3rik wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > That is a very cool effect. But I was really just looking for a way to
make
  > > the images/tables align properly.I dont think I would want the earth
image
  > > to remain in the same spot as the page scrolled. Would it be possible
for me
  > > to simply align it all perfectly using CSS ?
 >
 > Possible, but difficult. It was never the intention of the web that the
 > page display perfectly to the last pixel.
 >
 > You would be lucky to be able to get css or tables to present your
 > design pixel-perfect regardless of browser, resolution, OS, text-size etc.
 >
   > >>As for the design in general... Pretty good (although I assume it will
   > >>be a liquid design, that is, take up the full width of the page - don't
   > >>worry, this is easy peaser with css!
  > >
  > >
  > > Nah, I was just planning on centering what you saw and making the
background
  > > black. If I wanted to make it liquid I would have to start all over
wouldnt
  > > I ?
 >
 > No. You have a thin bit of image to the right of "impression" which, if
 > made into a separate image, could be made to scale horizontally as much
 > as you like, which would let the banner bit move to take up the full
 > screen. It should be fairly easy to make at least one part of the
 > navigation bar adjustible in width.
 >
 > To keep your alignments nice, the "bottom" part of the earth box, that
 > blue part, would have to remain a fixed width, but it would be
 > relatively easy to make the dark grey box stretch to the edge.
 >
  > > Otherwise it would severly distort my graphics, right ?
 >
 > No. The secret is to have a little bit of your graphic just horizontal,
 > repeating horizontally or just blank colour. More by luck than good
 > management, I think your design has enough to make it liquid.
 >

Cool. I think this is the one Im gonna go with:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXstars.gif" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/BizcardFXstars.gif</a> I think its much
improved. Im gonna look into that liquid stuff. That would definitely be
alot better. Would you happen to know of a good site I should go to to learn
more about it ? Dont go find one or anything, just if you happen to know
one.

Thanks again, you have been helpful.
Erik

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"3rik" <mr3rik RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Thats fucking cool. I did it.
 > And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are for
 > tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It works in
 > Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that in Netscape
the
 > bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but I can fix that.
Anyway,
 > if you want to see it, its at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any input
 > would be appreciated. Im pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up so
 > that I'll make somewhere around $100 for every business card I make.
Anyway,
 > Ive been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
 > official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =)
 > Signing off,

Congratulations!

Dont worry too much about the tables vs css for layout args.
Do what you find works for you! After all, while some in this group will say
do not do it - (use tables) - if you look around the web you will find
yourself in good company. Most web sites use tables for layout. Many of the
biggest web design companies use table for layout. Most big businesses use
tables for layout as do most government sites. - So, even though some would
say it is wrong to use tables for layout - most people do - so welcome to
the club!

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Bill Logan wrote:
 > "3rik" <mr3rik.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > news:se9Ra.4272$Mc.386960@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
  >> Thats fucking cool. I did it.
  >> And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are
  >> for tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It
  >> works in Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that
  >> in Netscape the bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but
  >> I can fix that. Anyway, if you want to see it, its at
  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any input would be appreciated. Im
  >> pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up so that I'll make
  >> somewhere around $100 for every business card I make. Anyway, Ive
  >> been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
  >> official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =) Signing off,
 >
 > Congratulations!

seconded ;o)

 > Dont worry too much about the tables vs css for layout args.

bah humbug - don't listen to old dinosaurs like Bill - he's hoping to retire
soon (to a sun-drenched paradise with his every whim catered for by tanned
beauties) and would rather just pretend that css is not coming anytime soon.

 > Do what you find works for you!

better still: do what works for your visitors

 > After all, while some in this group
 > will say do not do it - (use tables) - if you look around the web you
 > will find yourself in good company.

lots <> good

 > Most web sites use tables for
 > layout. Many of the biggest web design companies use table for
 > layout. Most big businesses use tables for layout as do most
 > government sites. - So, even though some would say it is wrong to use
 > tables for layout - most people do - so welcome to the club!

5,000,000 flies etc.

 > BTW - page looking good!

good tag-line ;o)

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"3rik" <mr3rik DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<se9Ra.4272$Mc.386960@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
 > Thats fucking cool. I did it.
 > And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are for
 > tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It works in
 > Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that in Netscape the
 > bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but I can fix that. Anyway,
 > if you want to see it, its at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any input
 > would be appreciated. Im pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up so
 > that I'll make somewhere around $100 for every business card I make. Anyway,
 > Ive been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
 > official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =)
 > Signing off,
 > Erik

Hi,

Just wondering why the #1 business card design company doesn't have a
#1 domain name like <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.businesscards.com" target="_blank">www.businesscards.com</a> or something.

I wouldn't put that on my site unless I was actually #1. Just my op.

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 > Bill Logan wrote:
  > > "3rik" <mr3rik.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
  > > news:se9Ra.4272$Mc.386960@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
   > >> Thats fucking cool. I did it.
   > >> And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are
   > >> for tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It
   > >> works in Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that
   > >> in Netscape the bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but
   > >> I can fix that. Anyway, if you want to see it, its at
   > >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any input would be appreciated. Im
   > >> pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up so that I'll make
   > >> somewhere around $100 for every business card I make. Anyway, Ive
   > >> been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
   > >> official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =) Signing off,
  > >
  > > Congratulations!
 >
 > seconded ;o)
 >
  > > Dont worry too much about the tables vs css for layout args.
 >
 > bah humbug - don't listen to old dinosaurs like Bill - he's hoping to
retire
 > soon (to a sun-drenched paradise with his every whim catered for by tanned
 > beauties) and would rather just pretend that css is not coming anytime
soon.

All of that is correct except for one thing - it will be one tanned beauty
who also happens to be my wife - (which is why it will be one tanned beauty



  > > Do what you find works for you!
 >
 > better still: do what works for your visitors
 >
at least those visitors you want to do business with - the rest are not
important (now wheres that fire suit?


  > > After all, while some in this group
  > > will say do not do it - (use tables) - if you look around the web you
  > > will find yourself in good company.
 >
 > lots <> good
Never said that - said he would find himself in good company. - what they do
might in the words of the few be not good - that does no alter the fact they
are good company :-0


 >
  > > Most web sites use tables for
  > > layout. Many of the biggest web design companies use table for
  > > layout. Most big businesses use tables for layout as do most
  > > government sites. - So, even though some would say it is wrong to use
  > > tables for layout - most people do - so welcome to the club!
 >
 > 5,000,000 flies etc.
We may not like the smell but the sheer number implies they cannot all be
wrong?
 >
  > > BTW - page looking good!
 >
 > good tag-line ;o)
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  > > Thats fucking cool. I did it.
  > > And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are for
  > > tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It works in
  > > Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that in Netscape
the
  > > bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but I can fix that.
Anyway,
  > > if you want to see it, its at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any
input
  > > would be appreciated. Im pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up
so
  > > that I'll make somewhere around $100 for every business card I make.
Anyway,
  > > Ive been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
  > > official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =)
  > > Signing off,
  > > Erik
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > Just wondering why the #1 business card design company doesn't have a
 > #1 domain name like <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.businesscards.com" target="_blank">www.businesscards.com</a> or something.
 >
 > I wouldn't put that on my site unless I was actually #1. Just my op.
 >

Were #1 because we make each business card as if it were our own for the
cheapest price, like it says on the page, were not however #1 because of our
domain. Although I do like my domain better. Plus, at BizcardFX you dont pay
for your artwork until you've approved it. And we design and ship our cards
out faster than any other business card company. Most are over 2 weeks and I
have seen none that ship in less than 5 days as we do.

Also, Businesscards.com only prints in 1 and 2 color offereing black & any
standard color, red & blue, burgundy & gray, brown & green, purple & teal
only, I print in 4color giving you limitless options.. Plus they charge
almost $40 more for just 2colors with no gloss front and back per 1000. I
charge $40 less with full color and gloss front and back. Plus, their
templates suck. Perhaps you should have chose a better site to prove your
point. But thanks for your opinion Ill consider changing it. =)

Erik
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 > "OJ" <orljustin DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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  > > "3rik" <mr3rik DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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   > > > Thats fucking cool. I did it.
   > > > And I did it with tables ! Waaa hoooooo. Okay yea I know, tables are for
   > > > tabular data and CSS is for format. But damnit it works. It works in
   > > > Netscape, Internet Explorer and AOL. The only thing is that in Netscape
 > the
   > > > bottom text menu table comes out the wrong size but I can fix that.
 > Anyway,
   > > > if you want to see it, its at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/" target="_blank">http://alabama.shnw.net/~bizcard/</a> Any
 > input
   > > > would be appreciated. Im pretty happy with it so far, I have it set up
 > so
   > > > that I'll make somewhere around $100 for every business card I make.
 > Anyway,
   > > > Ive been up all night working on it. Time for sleepy. Now that im an
   > > > official webmaster, Ill be in here more often. =)
   > > > Signing off,
   > > > Erik
  > >
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > Just wondering why the #1 business card design company doesn't have a
  > > #1 domain name like <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.businesscards.com" target="_blank">www.businesscards.com</a> or something.
  > >
  > > I wouldn't put that on my site unless I was actually #1. Just my op.
  > >
 >
 > Were #1 because we make each business card as if it were our own for the
 > cheapest price, like it says on the page, were not however #1 because of our
 > domain. Although I do like my domain better. Plus, at BizcardFX you dont pay
 > for your artwork until you've approved it. And we design and ship our cards
 > out faster than any other business card company. Most are over 2 weeks and I
 > have seen none that ship in less than 5 days as we do.
 >
 > Also, Businesscards.com only prints in 1 and 2 color offereing black & any
 > standard color, red & blue, burgundy & gray, brown & green, purple & teal
 > only, I print in 4color giving you limitless options.. Plus they charge
 > almost $40 more for just 2colors with no gloss front and back per 1000. I
 > charge $40 less with full color and gloss front and back. Plus, their
 > templates suck. Perhaps you should have chose a better site to prove your
 > point. But thanks for your opinion Ill consider changing it. =)
 >
 > Erik
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Hi,

I didn't even know there was a businesscards.com. I just picked the
name out of the air.

My point is that "#1" is not really a subjective thing. Are you the
"#1" in lowest pricing? Clients per year? What? It doesn't add a
lot to say that if you don't back it up with something.

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