Windows Small Business Server 2003 Questions

Under what circumstances would i really need to purchase a CAL? For instance,
say that i have a small business with 10 employees, and create 10 mobile
applications for each of these user's PDAs so that each may access data
through the server. I would need 10 device CALs. But wouldn't it be easier to
just let these people access their data through the internet with their
browser, after a login routine? Is this unauthenticated use of the server
software, or would i need a device CAL for each of these users?
Also, in the Windows Small Business Server 2003 page it says that internet
users are allowed to use the server without a CAL. What services would they
be able to use? Http, ftp, smtp?
"Frankster" wrote:

 > A "CAL" is a Client Access License". It is not for how many servers you
 > load W2K3 on, it is for how many clients connect to the server. For the
 > server itself, you need a complete server license for every one you load it
 > on.
 >
 > Incoming IIS Internet connections are different. They are unlimited and you
 > don't need a CAL for them.
 >
 > This page should help...
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font</a>>
 >
 > -Frank
 >
 >
 > "Job" <Job.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
 > news:48BD9F88-D74F-47B7-AD8F-05986C2B39D0@microsoft.com...
  > > In the Windows Small Business Server 2003 pricing page it says that the
  > > standard edition comes with 5 CALs. What is a CAL? Is it just a permission
  > > to
  > > install the server in 5 different machines?
  > > Also what MS Server 2003 edition comes with the Small Business Server 2003
  > > Standard? Does that version allow for unlimited http connections? I know
  > > the
  > > IIS that comes with XP Pro allows only for 10.
  > >
  > > Thank you for you help guys.
 >
 >
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:35:08 -0800, Job
<Job.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

 >In the Windows Small Business Server 2003 pricing page it says that the
 >standard edition comes with 5 CALs. What is a CAL?

Client Access License

 >Is it just a permission to
 >install the server in 5 different machines?

CLIENT Access License. Not Server license.

 >Also what MS Server 2003 edition comes with the Small Business Server 2003
 >Standard?

Well, umm, it's Small Business Server 2003 Standard.

 >Does that version allow for unlimited http connections?

Yes.

 >I know the
 >IIS that comes with XP Pro allows only for 10.

Finally, an IIS question in the IIS group. XP pro is a *workstation*
operating system. SBS is a *server* operating system. With all the
IIS differences normally found in Server operating systems.

Check the SBS groups, there *are* peculiarities with SBS that may or
may not affect your choice. Plus, most of these questions would have
been answered if you'd actually looked at the Microsoft site for Small
Business Server information.

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:55:08 -0800, Job
<Job.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

 >Under what circumstances would i really need to purchase a CAL? For instance,
 >say that i have a small business with 10 employees, and create 10 mobile
 >applications for each of these user's PDAs so that each may access data
 >through the server. I would need 10 device CALs. But wouldn't it be easier to
 >just let these people access their data through the internet with their
 >browser, after a login routine? Is this unauthenticated use of the server
 >software, or would i need a device CAL for each of these users?
 >Also, in the Windows Small Business Server 2003 page it says that internet
 >users are allowed to use the server without a CAL. What services would they
 >be able to use? Http, ftp, smtp?

All choices for you to make in your design and setup. Of course, you
mention they login but are unauthenticated, which means you have to
design your own security, and can't use Windows security functions
such as NTFS permissions to ease your administration.

CALs are inexpensive compared to the time needed to create a manage a
duplicate system. You can't connect to a shared file without a CAL
for instance. Or in SBS use Exchange without one. Or ISA for
security. You lose a lot of functionality by trying to find a way
around licensing schemes.

Of course, you could always switch to a Linux-based setup and avopid
licensing costs altogether.

Jeff


  >> A "CAL" is a Client Access License". It is not for how many servers you
  >> load W2K3 on, it is for how many clients connect to the server. For the
  >> server itself, you need a complete server license for every one you load it
  >> on.
  >>
  >> Incoming IIS Internet connections are different. They are unlimited and you
  >> don't need a CAL for them.
  >>
  >> This page should help...
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font</a>>
  >>
  >> -Frank
  >>
  >>
  >> "Job" <Job.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
  >> news:48BD9F88-D74F-47B7-AD8F-05986C2B39D0@microsoft.com...
   >> > In the Windows Small Business Server 2003 pricing page it says that the
   >> > standard edition comes with 5 CALs. What is a CAL? Is it just a permission
   >> > to
   >> > install the server in 5 different machines?
   >> > Also what MS Server 2003 edition comes with the Small Business Server 2003
   >> > Standard? Does that version allow for unlimited http connections? I know
   >> > the
   >> > IIS that comes with XP Pro allows only for 10.
   >> >
   >> > Thank you for you help guys.
  >>
  >>
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Thank you for your answer. I'm relatively new to this. I'm trying to find out
whether i really need CALs or not. If i wanted to build an aplication that
required a CAL what would i have to do differently compared to an application
that did not require a CAL? How does a CAL application access the server?
What makes a CAL application a CAL application?
You said that i can't connect to a shared file without a CAL. But this
doesn't apply if the file is accessed through FTP right? Or does it?
I understand that the Exchange Server requires a CAL for every machine that
uses the server to access a printer or shared file or any remote access.
One last question, does IIS come ready for SSL. Does it have any
certificates? I'm currently searching the Microsoft site for an answer to
these questions as i post here. But it's alot of information so any help is
appreciated.

"Jeff Cochran" wrote:

 > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:55:08 -0800, Job
 > <Job.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
 >
  > >Under what circumstances would i really need to purchase a CAL? For instance,
  > >say that i have a small business with 10 employees, and create 10 mobile
  > >applications for each of these user's PDAs so that each may access data
  > >through the server. I would need 10 device CALs. But wouldn't it be easier to
  > >just let these people access their data through the internet with their
  > >browser, after a login routine? Is this unauthenticated use of the server
  > >software, or would i need a device CAL for each of these users?
  > >Also, in the Windows Small Business Server 2003 page it says that internet
  > >users are allowed to use the server without a CAL. What services would they
  > >be able to use? Http, ftp, smtp?
 >
 > All choices for you to make in your design and setup. Of course, you
 > mention they login but are unauthenticated, which means you have to
 > design your own security, and can't use Windows security functions
 > such as NTFS permissions to ease your administration.
 >
 > CALs are inexpensive compared to the time needed to create a manage a
 > duplicate system. You can't connect to a shared file without a CAL
 > for instance. Or in SBS use Exchange without one. Or ISA for
 > security. You lose a lot of functionality by trying to find a way
 > around licensing schemes.
 >
 > Of course, you could always switch to a Linux-based setup and avopid
 > licensing costs altogether.
 >
 > Jeff
 >
 >
   > >> A "CAL" is a Client Access License". It is not for how many servers you
   > >> load W2K3 on, it is for how many clients connect to the server. For the
   > >> server itself, you need a complete server license for every one you load it
   > >> on.
   > >>
   > >> Incoming IIS Internet connections are different. They are unlimited and you
   > >> don't need a CAL for them.
   > >>
   > >> This page should help...
<font color=brown>   > >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font</a>>
   > >>
   > >> -Frank
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> "Job" <Job.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
   > >> news:48BD9F88-D74F-47B7-AD8F-05986C2B39D0@microsoft.com...
   > >> > In the Windows Small Business Server 2003 pricing page it says that the
   > >> > standard edition comes with 5 CALs. What is a CAL? Is it just a permission
   > >> > to
   > >> > install the server in 5 different machines?
   > >> > Also what MS Server 2003 edition comes with the Small Business Server 2003
   > >> > Standard? Does that version allow for unlimited http connections? I know
   > >> > the
   > >> > IIS that comes with XP Pro allows only for 10.
   > >> >
   > >> > Thank you for you help guys.
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
 >
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:39:01 -0800, Job
<Job DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

 >Thank you for your answer. I'm relatively new to this. I'm trying to find out
 >whether i really need CALs or not. If i wanted to build an aplication that
 >required a CAL what would i have to do differently compared to an application
 >that did not require a CAL?

That's not an IIS issue, see a group related to your application
development framework or language.

 >How does a CAL application access the server?

Same.

 >What makes a CAL application a CAL application?

Same.

 >You said that i can't connect to a shared file without a CAL. But this
 >doesn't apply if the file is accessed through FTP right?Or does it?

FTP logins require CALs.

 >I understand that the Exchange Server requires a CAL for every machine that
 >uses the server to access a printer or shared file or any remote access.
 >One last question, does IIS come ready for SSL. Does it have any
 >certificates?

Ready, yes. You can create your own certificates, but you'll need to
buy one if you want normal use.

 >I'm currently searching the Microsoft site for an answer to
 >these questions as i post here. But it's alot of information so any help is
 >appreciated.

Google will also help. And check the Microsoft Licensing information
pages for definitions of CALs.

Jeff


  >> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:55:08 -0800, Job
  >> <Job DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
  >>
   >> >Under what circumstances would i really need to purchase a CAL? For instance,
   >> >say that i have a small business with 10 employees, and create 10 mobile
   >> >applications for each of these user's PDAs so that each may access data
   >> >through the server. I would need 10 device CALs. But wouldn't it be easier to
   >> >just let these people access their data through the internet with their
   >> >browser, after a login routine? Is this unauthenticated use of the server
   >> >software, or would i need a device CAL for each of these users?
   >> >Also, in the Windows Small Business Server 2003 page it says that internet
   >> >users are allowed to use the server without a CAL. What services would they
   >> >be able to use? Http, ftp, smtp?
  >>
  >> All choices for you to make in your design and setup. Of course, you
  >> mention they login but are unauthenticated, which means you have to
  >> design your own security, and can't use Windows security functions
  >> such as NTFS permissions to ease your administration.
  >>
  >> CALs are inexpensive compared to the time needed to create a manage a
  >> duplicate system. You can't connect to a shared file without a CAL
  >> for instance. Or in SBS use Exchange without one. Or ISA for
  >> security. You lose a lot of functionality by trying to find a way
  >> around licensing schemes.
  >>
  >> Of course, you could always switch to a Linux-based setup and avopid
  >> licensing costs altogether.
  >>
  >> Jeff
  >>
  >>
   >> >> A "CAL" is a Client Access License". It is not for how many servers you
   >> >> load W2K3 on, it is for how many clients connect to the server. For the
   >> >> server itself, you need a complete server license for every one you load it
   >> >> on.
   >> >>
   >> >> Incoming IIS Internet connections are different. They are unlimited and you
   >> >> don't need a CAL for them.
   >> >>
   >> >> This page should help...
<font color=brown>   >> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx</font</a>>
   >> >>
   >> >> -Frank
   >> >>
   >> >>
   >> >> "Job" <Job DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
   >> >> news:48BD9F88-D74F-47B7-AD8F-05986C2B39D0@microsoft.com...
   >> >> > In the Windows Small Business Server 2003 pricing page it says that the
   >> >> > standard edition comes with 5 CALs. What is a CAL? Is it just a permission
   >> >> > to
   >> >> > install the server in 5 different machines?
   >> >> > Also what MS Server 2003 edition comes with the Small Business Server 2003
   >> >> > Standard? Does that version allow for unlimited http connections? I know
   >> >> > the
   >> >> > IIS that comes with XP Pro allows only for 10.
   >> >> >
   >> >> > Thank you for you help guys.
   >> >>
   >> >>
   >> >>
  >>
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