Setting up my first web site

"Alan Justice" <alanjustice RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems? I am setting
up
 > a site using MS Word (it's all I have) and apparently it looks different
to
 > someone else than it does to me. I could use some basic knowledge on
 > authoring (a book or website).
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Alan,

Find a used book store. I beleive Half Price Books in nationwide now.
I bought Creating Web Pages for Dummies, with trial of Dreamweaver MX, for
$5.98.

Most of the newer books will be just about half price.
But you can go back a couple of years on web sites to get started on the
cheap.
At least a 2 year old book and trial program is better than MS Word and no
help.


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:47:04 GMT "John Nichols"
<jnichols2.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at Road
Runner - Texas to write:

 >
 >"Alan Justice" <alanjustice.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 >news:PLe1b.2484$Ej6.1451@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
  >> Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems? I am setting
 >up
  >> a site using MS Word (it's all I have) and apparently it looks different
 >to
  >> someone else than it does to me. I could use some basic knowledge on
  >> authoring (a book or website).
  >> --
  >> - Alan Justice
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  >> alanjustice earthlink net
  >> @. .
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 >Alan,
 >
 >Find a used book store. I beleive Half Price Books in nationwide now.
 >I bought Creating Web Pages for Dummies, with trial of Dreamweaver MX, for
 >$5.98.
 >
Oh sure, assume EVERYONE lives in Australia!

How about realising the world uses Usenet?

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Alan Justice wrote:
 > Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems?

No, but it is one of many that you may find helpful. other newsgroups
include:

news:alt.html
news:alt.html.critique

 > I am
 > setting up a site using MS Word (it's all I have)

No it isn't - you also have notepad.exe

For web page development you may find you are better served with a text
editor that can do syntax highlights - I use textpad from
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://textpad.com" target="_blank">http://textpad.com</a> - there are others.

 > and apparently it
 > looks different to someone else than it does to me.

of course - MS-Word is not designed to build web pages - although it could
be with very little effort on the part of the developers but that's a
different issue.

every browser on every platform has its idiosyncrasies - you will be well
advised to design your pages for any browser <
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/" target="_blank">http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/</a> > using any size window <
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.allmyfaqs.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AnySizeDesign" target="_blank">http://www.allmyfaqs.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AnySizeDesign</a> >. Use valid markup
< <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://validator.w3.org" target="_blank">http://validator.w3.org</a> > to help ensure your content is successfully
delivered, no matter what browser/platform is used.

 > I could use some
 > basic knowledge on authoring (a book or website).

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/</a>

Tags to avoid:
Frame
Table
B
I

Build a few pages, link them together with Anchor tags and then research CSS
to apply the necessary styling suggestions.

In any event, have fun

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William Tasso wrote:
 > Alan Justice wrote:
  >> Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems?
 >
 > No, but it is one of many that you may find helpful. other newsgroups
 > include:
 >
 > news:alt.html
 > news:alt.html.critique
 >

also, check out:
news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html

Take a peek at the recent thread - subject: "OK, I give up, you win!"

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"Alan Justice" <alanjustice.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems? I am setting
up
 > a site using MS Word (it's all I have) and apparently it looks different
to
 > someone else than it does to me. I could use some basic knowledge on
 > authoring (a book or website).

Learn HTML, it's the only way.

This site <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.htmlgoodies.com" target="_blank">http://www.htmlgoodies.com</a> has some good tutorials.
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Charles Sweeney wrote:
 > "Alan Justice" <alanjustice DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > news:PLe1b.2484$Ej6.1451@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
  > > Is this the best NG for a novice to get help with problems? I am
  > > setting up a site using MS Word (it's all I have) and apparently it
  > > looks different to someone else than it does to me. I could use
  > > some basic knowledge on authoring (a book or website).
 >
 > Learn HTML, it's the only way.
 >
 > This site <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.htmlgoodies.com" target="_blank">http://www.htmlgoodies.com</a> has some good tutorials.
 >

some easy tutorials to follow...but not "good"
tutorials...Joe wrote them a long time ago and they are
well short of being anywhere near current good practise

best way...get a copy of 1st Page from Evrsoft
<http://www.evrsoft.com/>...take a look at some of the
tutorials listed here
<http://www.ericjarvis.co.uk/web.html> you'll have to
scroll down a bit, they are at the bottom of the
page...pick one that suits you, they are mostly teaching
the right things

with this field it is generally better to learn from the
web rather than books...the lead time for publishing a
boon is too long and things are moving too fast...by the
time the book is in the shops it's often already obsolete

learn html 4 with stylesheets right from the start...a
number of people will jump on this because, like me, they
learned html 3 and then learned html 4 later...contrary
to the opinion of some, it is not necessary to learn to
ride a horse before you learn to drive a car...so start
with the newer version

learn the simple aspects of marking up html...they are
very traightforward and easy to understand...it's obvious
that <p> and </p> one either side of some text is a
container for a paragraph...it's easy to understand that
<h1> is for the top level of headings and <h6> for the
lowest level of headings...<strong> is rather obvious
too, though there are subtleties about its use you will
be able to learn later on...the basics are easy

styling the page is a little more complex...but take it a
bit at a time and it will soon make sense...maybe start
by finding some template stylesheets that somebody else
has prepared and begin by adapting them to suit you

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Matt Probert wrote:

 > Oh sure, assume EVERYONE lives in Australia!

John (the person you are replying to) appears to be from the USA. Texas in
fact, with the closest city being Austin (@austin.rr.com).

 > How about realising the world uses Usenet?

Maybe we can send Heidi round to his house to teach him i18n? )

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"Eric Jarvis" <web RemoveThis @ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > some easy tutorials to follow...but not "good"

Don't be a fucking tit Eric. This is the second time in a week or so that
my help has been criticised.

Good practice according to who?? A handful of wankers.

Well seen you work for the government[1]. Try working in the real world and
give the rest of us who have to WORK for a living a fucking break.

[1] Ex Civil Servent myself, so I know how far removed from real work it is.
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In article <bi5o40$5hdj4$1@ID-162618.news.uni-berlin.de>,
me DeleteThis @charlessweeney.com says...
 > "Eric Jarvis" <web DeleteThis @ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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  > > some easy tutorials to follow...but not "good"


 > expletives deleted


 > [1] Ex Civil Servent myself, so I know how far removed from real work it is.
 >
Contradiction in terms and reported in violation of the Trades
Description Act

1) you are not very civil and
2) don't serve

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Charles Sweeney wrote:
 > "Eric Jarvis" <web.DeleteThis@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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 >
  > > some easy tutorials to follow...but not "good"
 >
 > Don't be a fucking tit Eric. This is the second time in a week or so that
 > my help has been criticised.
 >
 > Good practice according to who?? A handful of wankers.
 >
 > Well seen you work for the government[1]. Try working in the real world and
 > give the rest of us who have to WORK for a living a fucking break.
 >
 > [1] Ex Civil Servent myself, so I know how far removed from real work it is.
 >

as it happens I have NEVER been a civil servant...and I'm
currently freelancing [1] waiting until something
actually worthwhile comes along...I know plenty about the
real world...and in the real world of web
development bandwidth costs money...so learning to write
bloated mark up is not ideal...in the real world the
customer is king...so learning to use browser specific
mark up is not ideal...in the real world people don't
like having to do a complete site rebuild when a new
browser becomes popular...so using obsolete mark up for a
new site is not ideal

Joe writes beautifully...the tutorials are very easy to
learn from...they are also wrong in several important
ways due to having initially been conceived as tutorials
for a much earlier version of html

that's the facts of the matter...whether you like it or
not the caveat should be added to any recommendation of
HTML Goodies...that doesn't mean it isn't useful for
somebody learning just so that they can slap up a home
page about their cats...but without any idea of whether
the OP intended to take web design seriously in the ;ong
term it is misleading to point to HTML Goodies without a
"health warning"

at no point did I criticise you or say it was in any way
inappropriate to recommend the tutorials...I merely
pointed out their failings in, I hope, a fairly even
handed way...of you can't handle that, Charles, then you
really need to look at why...not take it out on anyone
else

[1] ie doing credit control and accountancy and now and
again a few hours of SEO and web development so that I
can spend several days chasing payment and then doing the
bloody paperwork

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"Dave" <capt80 RemoveThis @home.atm> wrote in message
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 > In article <bi5o40$5hdj4$1@ID-162618.news.uni-berlin.de>,
 > me RemoveThis @charlessweeney.com says...
  > > "Eric Jarvis" <web RemoveThis @ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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  > >
   > > > some easy tutorials to follow...but not "good"
 >
 >
  > > expletives deleted
 >
 >
  > > [1] Ex Civil Servent myself, so I know how far removed from real work it
is.
  > >
 > Contradiction in terms and reported in violation of the Trades
 > Description Act
 >
 > 1) you are not very civil and
 > 2) don't serve
 >
 > Dave
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 > p.s servant isn't spelt that way, take some more water with it ;p

Key word being "ex".

Oh yeh, so we're on to spelling mistakes now?

Is that how you want to play it? Arsehole.

The correct act is the Trade Description Act.
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"Eric Jarvis" <web.DeleteThis@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > as it happens I have NEVER been a civil servant...and I'm

Well, public service, same difference! Þ
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:26:58 +0100 Dylan Parry
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 >Matt Probert wrote:
 >
  >> Oh sure, assume EVERYONE lives in Australia!
 >
 >John (the person you are replying to) appears to be from the USA. Texas in
 >fact, with the closest city being Austin (@austin.rr.com).

Doh! Yes I knew that, hence the Australia joke.....

 >
  >> How about realising the world uses Usenet?
 >
 >Maybe we can send Heidi round to his house to teach him i18n? )
 >

Or Red ?

Matt

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