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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
Post subject: Probert Encyclopaedia under renewed attack
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Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
69.56.130.138

Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
search engine, for example:

/cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator

The IP address in question traces to

The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas

Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
normally associate with a childish prankster?

Matt

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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On 2004-08-10, Matt Probert <comments.RemoveThis@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote:
 > Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
 > with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
 > we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
 > 69.56.130.138
 >
 > Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
 > originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
 > server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
 > search engine, for example:
 >
 > /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
 >
 > The IP address in question traces to
 >
 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
 > heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
 > normally associate with a childish prankster?

They are....

Have you contacted them? My guess, and this happened to us once from an IP
at a university in the mid-west, it may be a misguided, mis-configured bot.

A call or fax would help, I realize the distance involved, however,
sometimes yelling over the phone does more than an email.

A badly setup bot, given your expereince last week and this week, would be a
good guess.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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"Matt Probert" <comments DeleteThis @probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
news:4118fe24.24826488@news.ntlworld.com...
 > Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
 > with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
 > we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
 > 69.56.130.138
 >
 > Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
 > originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
 > server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
 > search engine, for example:
 >
 > /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
 >
 > The IP address in question traces to
 >
 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
 > heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
 > normally associate with a childish prankster?
 >
 > Matt
 >

Read this once and saved it. Good for back-slap Wink

If you are under heavy DDOS on port 80 (KEY POINT) and you KNOW (KEY POINT)
which domain that is. What you can do is to change the A record (www) of
that domain to 127.0.0.1 and leave it for 1 hour. All DDOS bots will die
eventually because they will send all the traffic to themselves no matter
the IP is spoofed or not.

I do business with The Planet, and yes, they are bigtime. Send an email to
abuse DeleteThis @theplanet.com and support DeleteThis @theplanet.com
You'll get a response.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:06:46 GMT, Matt Probert wrote:

 > Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
 > with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
 > we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
 > 69.56.130.138
 >
 > Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
 > originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
 > server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
 > search engine, for example:
 >
 > /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
 >
 > The IP address in question traces to
 >
 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
 > heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
 > normally associate with a childish prankster?
 >

Pransters are everywhere. Contact Planet.com and tell them they have a
customer who's bombaring your server. They might contact their customer and
do something about it.



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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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Matt Probert wrote:
 > Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
 > with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
 > we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
 > 69.56.130.138
 >
 > Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
 > originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
 > server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
 > search engine, for example:
 >
 > /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
 >
 > The IP address in question traces to
 >
 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
 > heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
 > normally associate with a childish prankster?
 >
 > Matt

ThePlanet is a spamhause. if you can block them from your server.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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Allis wrote:
 > "Matt Probert" <comments.DeleteThis@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
 > news:4118fe24.24826488@news.ntlworld.com...
  >> Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was
  >> flooded with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24
  >> hour period
  >> we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
  >> 69.56.130.138
  >>
  >> Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
  >> originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
  >> server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
  >> search engine, for example:
  >>
  >> /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
  >>
  >> The IP address in question traces to
  >>
  >> The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
  >>
  >> Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
  >> heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
  >> normally associate with a childish prankster?
  >>
  >> Matt
  >>
 >
 > Read this once and saved it. Good for back-slap Wink
 >
 > If you are under heavy DDOS on port 80 (KEY POINT) and you KNOW (KEY
 > POINT) which domain that is. What you can do is to change the A
 > record (www) of that domain to 127.0.0.1 and leave it for 1 hour. All
 > DDOS bots will die eventually because they will send all the traffic
 > to themselves no matter the IP is spoofed or not.
 >
 > I do business with The Planet, and yes, they are bigtime. Send an
 > email to abuse.DeleteThis@theplanet.com and support.DeleteThis@theplanet.com
 > You'll get a response.

You should really move ASAP. They dont think a spammer should be removed
from their servers if the spam run doesnt come from their network.Meaning I
can host a domain with them, hi-jack someones computer on cable and send
spam out for that domain and The Planet will ignore abuse reports for the
domain.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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"Viper" <venomx.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b_qdnWOK9YXjqYTcRVn-gA@comcast.com...
 > Allis wrote:
  > > "Matt Probert" <comments.TakeThisOut@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
  > > news:4118fe24.24826488@news.ntlworld.com...
   > >> Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was
   > >> flooded with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24
   > >> hour period
   > >> we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
   > >> 69.56.130.138
   > >>
   > >> Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
   > >> originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
   > >> server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
   > >> search engine, for example:
   > >>
   > >> /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
   > >>
   > >> The IP address in question traces to
   > >>
   > >> The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
   > >>
   > >> Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
   > >> heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
   > >> normally associate with a childish prankster?
   > >>
   > >> Matt
   > >>
  > >
  > > Read this once and saved it. Good for back-slap Wink
  > >
  > > If you are under heavy DDOS on port 80 (KEY POINT) and you KNOW (KEY
  > > POINT) which domain that is. What you can do is to change the A
  > > record (www) of that domain to 127.0.0.1 and leave it for 1 hour. All
  > > DDOS bots will die eventually because they will send all the traffic
  > > to themselves no matter the IP is spoofed or not.
  > >
  > > I do business with The Planet, and yes, they are bigtime. Send an
  > > email to abuse.TakeThisOut@theplanet.com and support.TakeThisOut@theplanet.com
  > > You'll get a response.
 >
 > You should really move ASAP. They dont think a spammer should be removed
 > from their servers if the spam run doesnt come from their network.Meaning
I
 > can host a domain with them, hi-jack someones computer on cable and send
 > spam out for that domain and The Planet will ignore abuse reports for the
 > domain.
 >
 >

I know of the difficulty in abuse problems with The Planet, but honestly, it
happens darn near everywhere.
We've got servers at Fastservers also, and they go through the same stuff.
The only thing we can do is to make sure, which we readily do, that our
stuff is secure and not abused with our best efforts.
They've also responded very fast to any abuse reportings we've submitted.

Problem is...we've been with them for quite sometime now, a long time
actually, and except for reboots,
have had 100% uptime and negligable network latency problems. You can't
steal the multi-honed stuff they've got.
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - AT&T
2 Gbps Direct Fiber - AboveNet
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Broadwing
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Global Crossing
2 Gbps Direct Fiber - Level3
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - nLayer
2 Gbps Direct Fiber - Sprint
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Time Warner
1 Gbps Direct Fiber - UUNET
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm
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Allis wrote:
 > have had 100% uptime and negligable network latency problems. You
 > can't steal the multi-honed stuff they've got.
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - AT&T
 > 2 Gbps Direct Fiber - AboveNet
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Broadwing
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Global Crossing
 > 2 Gbps Direct Fiber - Level3
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - nLayer
 > 2 Gbps Direct Fiber - Sprint
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Time Warner
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - UUNET
 > 1 Gbps Direct Fiber - Verio

I count 5 right off that I know are spamhauses.... UUNet esp... They are
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:12 pm
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*Matt Probert* wrote:
 > Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
 > with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
 > we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
 > 69.56.130.138
 >
 > Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
 > originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
 > server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
 > search engine, for example:
 >
 > /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
 >
 > The IP address in question traces to
 >
 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
 > heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
 > normally associate with a childish prankster?

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum93/336.htm" target="_blank">http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum93/336.htm</a> (may need to register) the
gist of that is that someone was complaining of being hammered by the
same IP on March 20th 2004. There are quite a few Google results for
that IP too.

I take it you've side-stepped the attack though?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:12 pm
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:12:51 GMT, Andrew Urquhart wrote:

 > *Matt Probert* wrote:
  >> Following the attack last week, in which our search engine was flooded
  >> with machine-generated requests for random words over a 24 hour period
  >> we did some research and tracked the alleged IP address to
  >> 69.56.130.138
  >>
  >> Today, that same IP address (or at least a connection claiming to
  >> originate from that IP address) is again attempting to swamp our
  >> server by sending a stream of meaningless search requests to the
  >> search engine, for example:
  >>
  >> /cgi-bin/phrase.pl?keyword=topic+post+moderator
  >>
  >> The IP address in question traces to
  >>
  >> The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas
  >>
  >> Does anyone know anything about this company? They appear to provide
  >> heavyweight business dedicated internet access, which one wouldn't
  >> normally associate with a childish prankster?
 >
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum93/336.htm" target="_blank">http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum93/336.htm</a> (may need to register) the
 > gist of that is that someone was complaining of being hammered by the
 > same IP on March 20th 2004. There are quite a few Google results for
 > that IP too.
 >
 > I take it you've side-stepped the attack though?

I would just block that ip address at the router level or dns server and
have peace of mind.


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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:20 pm
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Matt Probert wrote:

 > The Planet.com Internet Services Inc, in Dallas, Texas

Know anyone in Texas who would be willing to bitch-slap the crap out of
them? <g>

Seriously though, I assume you have banned this IP from your server?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:20 pm
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Charging up on a white horse Dylan Parry said:
: Know anyone in Texas who would be willing to bitch-slap the crap out
: of them? <g>

*looks around and grins*
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:28 pm
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Heidi wrote:

 > : Know anyone in Texas who would be willing to bitch-slap the crap out
 > : of them? <g>
 >
 > *looks around and grins*

I thought of you, but Dallas is a bit far for you to go... unless you
really like bitch-slapping Very Happy

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:02 pm
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The Planet responsible?
HA!

Not sure how many months this went on?
69.56.150.214 - - [30/Nov/2003:22:44:21 -0800] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 9398 "-"
"qmhswdqw0vfhpgxmbywyyipnh"

Another Planet user!
69.93.52.218 - - [12/Feb/2004:13:17:45 -0800] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" 200
2365 "-" "VSE/1.0 (vsecrawler@hotmail.com)"

Another unidentified crawl!
67.18.251.186 - - [01/Aug/2004:06:19:24 -0700] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1"
206 2448 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"

The three above from 2004.
The below from 2003:

69.56.216.186 - - [14/Nov/2003:19:30:47 -0800] "GET
/page.html HTTP/1.1" 404 2847 "-" "Googlebot/2.1
- Google.com"

Here the user faked a bunch of UA's:
69.56.223.74 - - [15/Nov/2003:15:31:46 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 - "-" "Java1.4.0"
69.56.223.78 - - [15/Nov/2003:01:02:24 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 - "-" "SlySearch/1.3 (http://www.slysearch.com)"
69.56.223.74 - - [14/Nov/2003:18:49:26 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 - "-" "Zeus 30747 Webster Pro V2.9 Win32"
69.56.223.74 - - [14/Nov/2003:17:22:19 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 - "-" "Scooter-3.0.FS - Altavista.com"
69.56.216.186 - - [11/Nov/2003:11:22:45 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
200 7678 "-" "FAST-WebCrawler/2.2.5 - Lycos/Alltheweb/Fast"
69.56.216.186 - - [10/Nov/2003:05:13:27 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 320 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.2-2; Linux)"
69.56.176.179 - - [29/Oct/2003:03:53:34 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Version: 922
Type:4509)"
69.56.150.214 - - [06/Nov/2003:22:20:21 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1"
403 320 "-" "wdqvTmauapmjT3hqesarpq3agfohofc"

best thing you could do for yourself and your web sites is deny every range
they have:
THEPLANET.COM INTERNET SERVICES THEPLANE725-0 (NET-12-156-0-0-1)
12.156.0.0 - 12.156.7.255
THEPLANET.COM INTERNET SERVICES THEPLANE725-160 (NET-12-96-160-0-1)
12.96.160.0 - 12.96.167.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. THEPLANET-BLK-3 (NET-216-185-96-0-1)
216.185.96.0 - 216.185.127.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-6
(NET-69-41-224-0-1) 69.41.224.0 - 69.41.255.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-5
(NET-64-5-32-0-1) 64.5.32.0 - 64.5.63.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-6
(NET-69-56-128-0-1) 69.56.128.0 - 69.56.255.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-9
(NET-69-93-0-0-1) 69.93.0.0 - 69.93.255.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-11
(NET-67-18-0-0-1) 67.18.0.0 - 67.19.255.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-13
(NET-70-84-0-0-1) 70.84.0.0 - 70.85.127.255
ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. THEPLANET-BLK-1 (NET-216-234-224-0-1)
216.234.224.0 - 216.234.255.255
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:21 pm
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lostinspace wrote:

 > best thing you could do for yourself and your web sites is deny every
 > range they have:

Yes, if he's a fucking half-wit like you.

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