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karim3411

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:43 pm
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If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
a good one:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm
l/phpvsaspnet.asp


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:14 pm
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"karim" <karim3411 RemoveThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
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 > If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
 > a good one:

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:14 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:14:51 GMT, elyob wrote:

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 > "karim" <karim3411 RemoveThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
 > news:1vhxe5c2zzu68$.d4fjn62hmmyd$.dlg@40tude.net...
  >>
  >> If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
  >> a good one:
 >
 > Yeah, I would be more interested in a non-biased comparison.

How about reading it first before you state your *own* biased opinion?
Quote any statement that you think is wrong or biased and come back here
and tell us. I read it and I didn't feel it was biased.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:14 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:30:53 -0700, karim <karim3411.TakeThisOut@11yahoo11.com> wrote:

 > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:14:51 GMT, elyob wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> "karim" <karim3411.TakeThisOut@11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
  >> news:1vhxe5c2zzu68$.d4fjn62hmmyd$.dlg@40tude.net...
   >>>
   >>> If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page
   >>> is
   >>> a good one:
  >>
  >> Yeah, I would be more interested in a non-biased comparison.
 >
 > How about reading it first before you state your *own* biased opinion?
 > Quote any statement that you think is wrong or biased and come back here
 > and tell us. I read it and I didn't feel it was biased.

We HAVE read it already, in June.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-</a>
8&selm=RqtDa.34884%24ca5.30145%40nwrdny02.gnilink.net

It's blatant bias was discussed back then as well. Please give people who
reply to your posts the benefit of the doubt before you blast them for
supposedly making assumptions about the articles you post.

Sometimes we tell the truth, no?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:45 pm
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karim wrote:

 > If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
 > a good one:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm</font" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnasp...tm</</a>>
 > l/phpvsaspnet.asp

Interesting read to say the least. It's interesting to see how apples
and oranges really are compared...

For instance... error handling is said to be used much less in PHP than
ASP.NET by developers because of the absence of try and catch methods...
Is this to say that it is the language's fault? Of course not, that's
like saying all asp.net programmers use it all the time.

Statements about the non-strict typing are made. Of course, PHP
developers know that there are strict operators to facilitate this like
=== and !==. I guess Microsoft missed that one in the docs Wink

Event driven methods... Gee, I thought the whole point of using a
technology like perl or php was so you didn't have to rely on the
client's software capeabilities...

I agree that not being able to hide class components, no inheritance is
a bit of a drag, so chalk that one up for Microsoft. However "ASP.NET
forces developers to use a truly object-oriented approach to application
design." - not all situations call for this, and that could just make
the code harder to read.

Oops... "such as the set of msql_ functions that work with MySQL" Wink

Interesting:
Table 1. Microsoft .NET Languages
APL COBOL
Eiffel Forth
FORTRAN Haskell
Standard Machine Language Mercury
Mondrian Oberon
Pascal Perl
RPG Scheme
SmallScript

No PHP in the list? I guess you don't want the world to know that you
can use the "inferior" product with yours huh? Afterall, you can use PHP
syntax for ASP just like you can with the others...

Point and case: "We then look at the opportunities created by each
platform for code reuse." - OK, here's one against you... I can't reuse
ASP code on my linux box, but can use my PHP code on both platforms.
That's gotta count for someone.

"Finally, we examine the amount of quality of documentation available
for both PHP and ASP.NET." Define "quality documentation." Personally, I
think that PHP is one of the best documentated languages I've ever used
- especially when you take into consideration the user comments in the
online manual. (Although, I've never looked as ASP docs.)

"There are a few very important differences between data access methods
in PHP and in ASP.NET. First, ASP.NET performs all data access through a
standardized set of objects named ADO.NET. By forcing all data access
through this common set of objects, regardless of the data source,
ASP.NET breeds data-access familiarity amongst developers. In other
words, once you've learned how to connect to and send queries to a
Microsoft SQL Server, you're going to understand how to perform the same
actions with almost any data source. No such comparison can be made with
PHP since PHP uses a completely different set of data access functions
for each data source." ....
Loosely translated: "Don't bother worrying about which database
abstraction utility performs better because you have to use ours in ASP
anyway." or "Why would you want to have that RDMS's specific features if
you can make all databases be the same?"

I also notice that all the database-specific things deal with MS SQL or
MySQL. They state that "...with ASP.NET, you have the additional option
of using a managed provider for Microsoft SQL Server versions 7.0 ...
which provide[s] more efficient and robust access to data than ODBC."
OK, it works for one RDMS. However, PHP has how many natively-supported
databases? Just off the top of my head: MySQL, MS SQL, Postresql,
Oracle, DB++, FrontBase, FilePro, mSQL, SyBase and Dbase (don't forget
the mysqli extensions). Plus both ASP and PHP can use any datbase
through the proper ODBC drivers.

As I said, interesting read. Also, if you look at the bottom of the
page, the average rating is 2 of 9...

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:45 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:45:16 GMT, Justin Koivisto wrote:

 > karim wrote:
 >
  >> If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
  >> a good one:
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm</font" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnasp...tm</</a>>
  >> l/phpvsaspnet.asp
 >
 > Interesting read to say the least. It's interesting to see how apples
 > and oranges really are compared...
 >
 > For instance... error handling is said to be used much less in PHP than
 > ASP.NET by developers because of the absence of try and catch methods...
 > Is this to say that it is the language's fault? Of course not, that's
 > like saying all asp.net programmers use it all the time.

Java and C++ have try and catch. It gives you more control for error
trapping and handle errors accordingly. If php does not support them then
yes, it's php's fault. I guess php depends on the OS's only error handling?



 >
 > Statements about the non-strict typing are made. Of course, PHP
 > developers know that there are strict operators to facilitate this like
 > === and !==. I guess Microsoft missed that one in the docs Wink
 >
 > Event driven methods... Gee, I thought the whole point of using a
 > technology like perl or php was so you didn't have to rely on the
 > client's software capeabilities...

Event in asp.net can be client or server based. If it's client, it's
Javascript (or vbscript).

 >
 > I agree that not being able to hide class components, no inheritance is
 > a bit of a drag, so chalk that one up for Microsoft. However "ASP.NET
 > forces developers to use a truly object-oriented approach to application
 > design." - not all situations call for this, and that could just make
 > the code harder to read.

You don't have to use inheritance or any object oriented features if you
don't need to. It's there if you want it. But if you know OO, it makes you
inherit base classes that have functionality you coded before. Java is
fully OO. Is this a problem for Java also?



 >
 > Oops... "such as the set of msql_ functions that work with MySQL" Wink
 >
 > Interesting:
 > Table 1. Microsoft .NET Languages
 > APL COBOL
 > Eiffel Forth
 > FORTRAN Haskell
 > Standard Machine Language Mercury
 > Mondrian Oberon
 > Pascal Perl
 > RPG Scheme
 > SmallScript
 > No PHP in the list? I guess you don't want the world to know that you
 > can use the "inferior" product with yours huh? Afterall, you can use PHP
 > syntax for ASP just like you can with the others...
 >

The list was for langauges that support the .NET framework. Does php
support the framework?

 > Point and case: "We then look at the opportunities created by each
 > platform for code reuse." - OK, here's one against you... I can't reuse
 > ASP code on my linux box, but can use my PHP code on both platforms.
 > That's gotta count for someone.

You can use asp but not asp.net on Linux. However that might change in the
near future when Mono project is released. Also when you use asp.net and MS
products, you really do not care about Linux.. do you? Smile


 > "Finally, we examine the amount of quality of documentation available
 > for both PHP and ASP.NET." Define "quality documentation." Personally, I
 > think that PHP is one of the best documentated languages I've ever used
 > - especially when you take into consideration the user comments in the
 > online manual. (Although, I've never looked as ASP docs.)

Dunno what he meant there. Does php support dynamic help? Something similar
to MS's intellisense?


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:55 pm
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GreyWyvern wrote:

 > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:30:53 -0700, karim <karim3411 DeleteThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote:
 >
  >> How about reading it first before you state your *own* biased opinion?
  >> Quote any statement that you think is wrong or biased and come back here
  >> and tell us. I read it and I didn't feel it was biased.
 >
 > We HAVE read it already, in June.

Damn.. I must have missed it then.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:05 pm
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With total disregard for any kind of safety measures karim
<karim3411.DeleteThis@11yahoo11.com> leapt forth and uttered:

 >
 > If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net,
 > this page is a good one:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/</font" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/</font</a>>
 > dnaspp/htm l/phpvsaspnet.asp
 >
 >

Most of the points against PHP in that article will become obsolete
when PHP5 hits the mainstream.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:19 pm
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"karim" <karim3411 DeleteThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
 > a good one:
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm</a>
 > l/phpvsaspnet.asp
 >
 >
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Bleeding marvelous! A comparison between asp and php on Microsoft's
website!!

Wake up Karim.

I see you are still recommending yourself, crook.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:19 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:19:43 +0100, Charles Sweeney wrote:

 > "karim" <karim3411 RemoveThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
 > news:1vhxe5c2zzu68$.d4fjn62hmmyd$.dlg@40tude.net...
  >>
  >> If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
  >> a good one:
  >>
  >>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm</font" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnasp...tm</</a>>
  >> l/phpvsaspnet.asp
  >>
  >>
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  >> 1998
 >
 > Bleeding marvelous! A comparison between asp and php on Microsoft's
 > website!!
 >
 > Wake up Karim.
 >
 > I see you are still recommending yourself, crook.

Even if the comparison was on php.net, I would still read it and educate
myself more... I don't make foolish prejudements.

And you're a 41 year old kid who can't grow up.
What's eating you Charles? Smile Why always the hateful comments!?


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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:19 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:37:51 -0700, karim <karim3411 DeleteThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote:

 > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:19:43 +0100, Charles Sweeney wrote:
 >
  >> "karim" <karim3411 DeleteThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
  >> news:1vhxe5c2zzu68$.d4fjn62hmmyd$.dlg@40tude.net...
   >>>
   >>> If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page
   >>> is
   >>> a good one:
   >>>
   >>>
  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-" target="_blank">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-</a>
  >> us/dnaspp/htm
   >>> l/phpvsaspnet.asp
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> -- Karim
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  >> since
   >>> 1998
  >>
  >> Bleeding marvelous! A comparison between asp and php on Microsoft's
  >> website!!
  >>
  >> Wake up Karim.
  >>
  >> I see you are still recommending yourself, crook.
 >
 > Even if the comparison was on php.net, I would still read it and educate
 > myself more... I don't make foolish prejudements.
 >
 > And you're a 41 year old kid who can't grow up.

Isn't that a "good thing"™ ?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:43 pm
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karim wrote:

 > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:45:16 GMT, Justin Koivisto wrote:
 >
  >>karim wrote:
  >>
   >>>If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
   >>>a good one:
   >>>
   >>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm
   >>>l/phpvsaspnet.asp
  >>
  >>Interesting read to say the least. It's interesting to see how apples
  >>and oranges really are compared...
  >>
  >>For instance... error handling is said to be used much less in PHP than
  >>ASP.NET by developers because of the absence of try and catch methods...
  >>Is this to say that it is the language's fault? Of course not, that's
  >>like saying all asp.net programmers use it all the time.
 >
 >
 > Java and C++ have try and catch. It gives you more control for error
 > trapping and handle errors accordingly. If php does not support them then
 > yes, it's php's fault. I guess php depends on the OS's only error handling?

The same thing holds true for those languages as well, if the developer
doesn't use the error handling facilities provided, it's not the
language's fault.

  >>Statements about the non-strict typing are made. Of course, PHP
  >>developers know that there are strict operators to facilitate this like
  >>=== and !==. I guess Microsoft missed that one in the docs Wink
  >>
  >>Event driven methods... Gee, I thought the whole point of using a
  >>technology like perl or php was so you didn't have to rely on the
  >>client's software capeabilities...
 >
 > Event in asp.net can be client or server based. If it's client, it's
 > Javascript (or vbscript).

So then that leaves server event methods to be what... functions? I
believe PHP has that capeability. Wink

  >>I agree that not being able to hide class components, no inheritance is
  >>a bit of a drag, so chalk that one up for Microsoft. However "ASP.NET
  >>forces developers to use a truly object-oriented approach to application
  >>design." - not all situations call for this, and that could just make
  >>the code harder to read.
 >
 > You don't have to use inheritance or any object oriented features if you
 > don't need to. It's there if you want it. But if you know OO, it makes you
 > inherit base classes that have functionality you coded before. Java is
 > fully OO. Is this a problem for Java also?

I learned procedural programming (basic, fortran, pascal, c) when I
started. I had never heard of OO back then. However, The quote says that
you are _forced_ to use OO. As far as Java goes, I didn't get into that.

  >>Interesting:
  >>Table 1. Microsoft .NET Languages
  >>APL COBOL
  >>Eiffel Forth
  >>FORTRAN Haskell
  >>Standard Machine Language Mercury
  >>Mondrian Oberon
  >>Pascal Perl
  >>RPG Scheme
  >>SmallScript
  >>No PHP in the list? I guess you don't want the world to know that you
  >>can use the "inferior" product with yours huh? Afterall, you can use PHP
  >>syntax for ASP just like you can with the others...
 >
 > The list was for langauges that support the .NET framework. Does php
 > support the framework?

Wrong... "Table 1 shows some of the languages that are either available
or have been announced for the Microsoft .NET Framework." Anyway, PHP
does have .net functionality as well:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.dotnet.php" target="_blank">http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.dotnet.php</a>

  >>Point and case: "We then look at the opportunities created by each
  >>platform for code reuse." - OK, here's one against you... I can't reuse
  >>ASP code on my linux box, but can use my PHP code on both platforms.
  >>That's gotta count for someone.
 >
 > You can use asp but not asp.net on Linux. However that might change in the
 > near future when Mono project is released. Also when you use asp.net and MS
 > products, you really do not care about Linux.. do you? Smile

I am forced to use MS products, and I really don't care for Windows - to
each his own. Besides, tell that the the senior VP when he says you must
use a particular host - even when they don't support the current
programming.

  >>"Finally, we examine the amount of quality of documentation available
  >>for both PHP and ASP.NET." Define "quality documentation." Personally, I
  >>think that PHP is one of the best documentated languages I've ever used
  >>- especially when you take into consideration the user comments in the
  >>online manual. (Although, I've never looked as ASP docs.)
 >
 > Dunno what he meant there. Does php support dynamic help? Something similar
 > to MS's intellisense?

As I said, I have no experience with APS docs. On the other hand, I
don't recall having problems finding what I wanted in the PHP docs
within two or three searches.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:43 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:04 GMT, Justin Koivisto wrote:

 > karim wrote:
 >
  >> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:45:16 GMT, Justin Koivisto wrote:
  >>
   >>>karim wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>If you're interested in a comparison between php and asp.net, this page is
   >>>>a good one:
   >>>>
   >>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm
   >>>>l/phpvsaspnet.asp
   >>>
   >>>Interesting read to say the least. It's interesting to see how apples
   >>>and oranges really are compared...
   >>>
   >>>For instance... error handling is said to be used much less in PHP than
   >>>ASP.NET by developers because of the absence of try and catch methods...
   >>>Is this to say that it is the language's fault? Of course not, that's
   >>>like saying all asp.net programmers use it all the time.
  >>
  >>
  >> Java and C++ have try and catch. It gives you more control for error
  >> trapping and handle errors accordingly. If php does not support them then
  >> yes, it's php's fault. I guess php depends on the OS's only error handling?
 >
 > The same thing holds true for those languages as well, if the developer
 > doesn't use the error handling facilities provided, it's not the
 > language's fault.

If you don't want to use them, that's fine. The problem is when a developer
wants to use them and the language can't provide them... then it's a
problem. If this is true for php, then php has poor error handling.

 >
   >>>Statements about the non-strict typing are made. Of course, PHP
   >>>developers know that there are strict operators to facilitate this like
   >>>=== and !==. I guess Microsoft missed that one in the docs Wink
   >>>
   >>>Event driven methods... Gee, I thought the whole point of using a
   >>>technology like perl or php was so you didn't have to rely on the
   >>>client's software capeabilities...
  >>
  >> Event in asp.net can be client or server based. If it's client, it's
  >> Javascript (or vbscript).
 >
 > So then that leaves server event methods to be what... functions? I
 > believe PHP has that capeability. Wink

In asp.net, the plumping for events are built into the controls. I don't
have to code everything from scratch. in the IDE, I can create a button
that works in a certain way and convert into a user control. Next time I
want to use it anytime, all I have to do is drag and drop in the form and
it's ready to be used (visual inheritance). Maybe it's the language itself
by the tool makes it a lot easy. I don't know much about php but I haven't
seen a php tool that does this. Most things are still done in a lot of
typing.


 >
   >>>I agree that not being able to hide class components, no inheritance is
   >>>a bit of a drag, so chalk that one up for Microsoft. However "ASP.NET
   >>>forces developers to use a truly object-oriented approach to application
   >>>design." - not all situations call for this, and that could just make
   >>>the code harder to read.
  >>
  >> You don't have to use inheritance or any object oriented features if you
  >> don't need to. It's there if you want it. But if you know OO, it makes you
  >> inherit base classes that have functionality you coded before. Java is
  >> fully OO. Is this a problem for Java also?
 >
 > I learned procedural programming (basic, fortran, pascal, c) when I
 > started. I had never heard of OO back then. However, The quote says that
 > you are _forced_ to use OO. As far as Java goes, I didn't get into that.

You are not forced to. You get write in speghetti code like you can in
fortran and basic. Client server Windows apps are event driven, asp.net has
taken this into the web development level. If you are against OO, you're
against Java also. Java and asp.net are very similar.


 >
   >>>Interesting:
   >>>Table 1. Microsoft .NET Languages
   >>>APL COBOL
   >>>Eiffel Forth
   >>>FORTRAN Haskell
   >>>Standard Machine Language Mercury
   >>>Mondrian Oberon
   >>>Pascal Perl
   >>>RPG Scheme
   >>>SmallScript
   >>>No PHP in the list? I guess you don't want the world to know that you
   >>>can use the "inferior" product with yours huh? Afterall, you can use PHP
   >>>syntax for ASP just like you can with the others...
  >>
  >> The list was for langauges that support the .NET framework. Does php
  >> support the framework?
 >
 > Wrong... "Table 1 shows some of the languages that are either available
 > or have been announced for the Microsoft .NET Framework." Anyway, PHP
 > does have .net functionality as well:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.dotnet.php</font" target="_blank">http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.dotnet.php</font</a>>

There's a warning on that page that this php and .net is experimental. Do
you want to build production apps in something experimental?
What that table is probabling saying means that you can use Visual
Studio.Net to write apps in those langauges. Again my question... Can you
use VS.NET and php to wrote .net apps, if not then that's why you don't see
php in the table. Plus they want add php just because something
experimental from the hacker community.



 >
   >>>Point and case: "We then look at the opportunities created by each
   >>>platform for code reuse." - OK, here's one against you... I can't reuse
   >>>ASP code on my linux box, but can use my PHP code on both platforms.
   >>>That's gotta count for someone.
  >>
  >> You can use asp but not asp.net on Linux. However that might change in the
  >> near future when Mono project is released. Also when you use asp.net and MS
  >> products, you really do not care about Linux.. do you? Smile
 >
 > I am forced to use MS products, and I really don't care for Windows - to
 > each his own. Besides, tell that the the senior VP when he says you must
 > use a particular host - even when they don't support the current
 > programming.

If the company is an MS shop, even the CEO will be happy to use MS
products. They are *already* use Windows so nothing new there. Why do you
think a company needs to use Linux if MS products can do every job? They
you have to hire Linux guys... install Linux. It's just an added cost.



 >
   >>>"Finally, we examine the amount of quality of documentation available
   >>>for both PHP and ASP.NET." Define "quality documentation." Personally, I
   >>>think that PHP is one of the best documentated languages I've ever used
   >>>- especially when you take into consideration the user comments in the
   >>>online manual. (Although, I've never looked as ASP docs.)
  >>
  >> Dunno what he meant there. Does php support dynamic help? Something similar
  >> to MS's intellisense?
 >
 > As I said, I have no experience with APS docs. On the other hand, I
 > don't recall having problems finding what I wanted in the PHP docs
 > within two or three searches.

I asked specific questions. VS.NET docs is very dynamic. Intellisense can
help you remember function prototypes, properties and more while you type.
The whole idea is so that you don't have to keep looking at the docs.
You might be a php geek who can find anything online and then you're in a
minority, but in general, the guy might be right. ASP.net docs is better if
php docs is just a bunch of html pages.


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 > What's eating you Charles? Smile Why always the hateful comments!?

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 > "karim" <karim3411 DeleteThis @11yahoo11.com> wrote in message
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  >> What's eating you Charles? Smile Why always the hateful comments!?
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