Newbie Question

Hi Dylan,

The links That I am asking about are both "Internal" and "External".A few
months ago someone sent me a mail suggesting that I only have 30 links on my
page. Each of these links should have a google ranking of at least 4. The
email then said that if they all linked back to me I would get a high google
ranking?

Also on search engine results, are you more likely to get in poll position
if you have more links linking into you or if your site ranking is high?

Best,

Richard MacKenzie
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 > Spake Richard unto thee:
 >
  > > Does having loads of links on my page dilute my google ranking?
 >
 > Loads of links to other pages on your site or other Websites? If the
 > latter, are the other Websites relevant to the content of your site?
 >
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:55:22 +0000 (UTC) "Richard"
<mail DeleteThis @richardmackenzie.co.uk> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at
BT Openworld to write:

 >Hi all
 >
 >Does having loads of links on my page dilute my google ranking?
 >

No. Yes. Maybe.

<G>

If links are within the content, and relevant to the content, then
they certainly are liked by Google. And of course are of positive use
to your readers.

If links are just a list of "my favourite sites" then they are at best
a pointless exercise, and at worse dilute the content of the page and
are disliked by Google.

The link text (that within the anchor)should also be
relevant to the link, and not the phrase "click here" or the word
"here".

Matt

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Richard wrote:

 > Hi Dylan,
 >
 > The links That I am asking about are both "Internal" and "External".A
 > few months ago someone sent me a mail suggesting that I only have 30
 > links on my page. Each of these links should have a google ranking of
 > at least 4. The email then said that if they all linked back to me I
 > would get a high google ranking?
 >
 > Also on search engine results, are you more likely to get in poll
 > position if you have more links linking into you or if your site
 > ranking is high?

Why do you have a website?

Is the purpose to do well on Google, or do you actually provide a
service?

If the emphasis is on the former, then it's unlikely that you will bowl
your visitors over with levels of service provided.

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Richard wrote:
 > Hi all
 >
 > Does having loads of links on my page dilute my google ranking?
 >
 > Best,
 >
 > Richard MacKenzie
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 >
 >

Incoming links (people linking to you) is far more important.

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Thanks to all for writing back, I'm finding this very interesting! My
website promotes the services that I perform. As part of my marketing I want
to have a site that appears high on google searches. Other sites that
achieve this seem to have a google ranking of 6 plus and loads of sites
linking into them. I am interested that if I fill my links page with good
sound links on hypnosis (the service that I provide), in exchange for
reciprocal links, will it effect my ranking in a negative or positive way.
Do people appear high on the search results due to ranking or amount of
sites linking in?

Best,

Richard MacKenzie
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.richardmackenzie.co.uk" target="_blank">www.richardmackenzie.co.uk</a>

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 > Richard wrote:
 >
  > > Hi Dylan,
  > >
  > > The links That I am asking about are both "Internal" and "External".A
  > > few months ago someone sent me a mail suggesting that I only have 30
  > > links on my page. Each of these links should have a google ranking of
  > > at least 4. The email then said that if they all linked back to me I
  > > would get a high google ranking?
  > >
  > > Also on search engine results, are you more likely to get in poll
  > > position if you have more links linking into you or if your site
  > > ranking is high?
 >
 > Why do you have a website?
 >
 > Is the purpose to do well on Google, or do you actually provide a
 > service?
 >
 > If the emphasis is on the former, then it's unlikely that you will bowl
 > your visitors over with levels of service provided.
 >
 > --
 > Charles Sweeney
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 > Richard wrote:
 >
  > > Hi Dylan,
  > >
  > > The links That I am asking about are both "Internal" and "External".A
  > > few months ago someone sent me a mail suggesting that I only have 30
  > > links on my page. Each of these links should have a google ranking of
  > > at least 4. The email then said that if they all linked back to me I
  > > would get a high google ranking?
  > >
  > > Also on search engine results, are you more likely to get in poll
  > > position if you have more links linking into you or if your site
  > > ranking is high?
 >
 > Why do you have a website?
 >
 > Is the purpose to do well on Google, or do you actually provide a
 > service?
 >
 > If the emphasis is on the former, then it's unlikely that you will bowl
 > your visitors over with levels of service provided.
 >
 > --
 > Charles Sweeney
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://CharlesSweeney.com</font" target="_blank">http://CharlesSweeney.com</font</a>>


How come everyone these days are more interested in getting useless traffic
through their sites than people who are interested. Too many people are too
interested in google rankings rather than getting the right people viewing
their information.
I put it to you that I think the value of internet advertising has dropped
so much now that it is almost not worth bothering. Hardly anyone clicks
banners or buttons, if they ever did.
We are seriously thinking about not paying for anymore online advertising
and reverting back to "good old print".
It's hardler for people to throw a letter in the bin than it is to delete
spam or go to another web site. It's also easier to target the right people
through print.
Am I missing something or was the internet going to put leaflet printers out
of business a few years ago?

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Richard Grove - ®ed Eye Media wrote:

 > How come everyone these days are more interested in getting useless
 > traffic through their sites than people who are interested. Too many
 > people are too interested in google rankings rather than getting the
 > right people viewing their information.

(Sssshh!! Don't give away the secret!)

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Richard mail.TakeThisOut@richardmackenzie.co.uk wrote:
 > Thanks to all for writing back, I'm finding this very interesting! My
 > website promotes the services that I perform. As part of my marketing I want
 > to have a site that appears high on google searches. Other sites that
 > achieve this seem to have a google ranking of 6 plus and loads of sites
 > linking into them. I am interested that if I fill my links page with good
 > sound links on hypnosis (the service that I provide), in exchange for
 > reciprocal links, will it effect my ranking in a negative or positive way.
 > Do people appear high on the search results due to ranking or amount of
 > sites linking in?
 >

The answer is NO.

Unless you've got some solid content of your own you'll probably never be
able to compete with the best ranked sites. Google's been around a good
few years, search engines in general a lot longer, they know how to deal
with most obvious short cuts (and where they don't they will real soon
now). You aren't going to get anywhere long term by trying to gimmick your
way to the top unless you are an absolute genius at it and prepared to put
in the work to stay ahead of the Google tech team. So for just about
everyone the time and effort is better spent on presenting good original
content effectively.

Once you've got content then it's worth looking at link development, but
first you need to have something worth linking to, and something that a
searcher will thank Google for finding. Do that and everyone combines to
help move you up the search engine rankings, fail to do so and you'll be
fighting all the way.

As to what sort of content, and where to go from there, I need to earn a
living.

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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:09:10 +0100 "Richard Grove - ®ed Eye Media"
<info®redeyemedia.co.uk> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at to
write:

 >How come everyone these days are more interested in getting useless traffic
 >through their sites than people who are interested. Too many people are too
 >interested in google rankings rather than getting the right people viewing
 >their information.

Not quite everyone!


 >I put it to you that I think the value of internet advertising has dropped
 >so much now that it is almost not worth bothering. Hardly anyone clicks
 >banners or buttons, if they ever did.

Oh yes they do. If you have the budget to work with an agency such as
FastClick you can target your campaign to particular types of web
site, geographic areas (like where the site is) and other fairly
sophisticated criteria resulting in some good CTR, the banner adverts
we host through Fastclick are of two types; targeted and fillers.
Ignoring the fillers and our own banners the averaged out CTR for the
whole of September is 2.02% (sample size 783,620), with the top CTR at
7.69% and the bottom campaign with a 0%. By contrast our own free
advertising (very limited targetting, poor positioning etc) on a
banner exchange program realises a CTR of 0.89%


 >We are seriously thinking about not paying for anymore online advertising
 >and reverting back to "good old print".

Now you tell me! <g>

Seriously, the campaign we are running for you, for free, has realised
a CTR of 0.067% - this where the top paid campaign realises a CTR of
1%. You do have to be careful with your advert design, and choice of
format (banner, skyscraper, rectangle, medium rectangle, pop-under
&c).

There is a lot of money being spent on Internet advertising, and it
does work. But like all advertising, it needs to be properly thought
out, designed, and BE BUDGETED ! The biggest problem is that people
don't run their campaign for long enough.

Matt

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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:26:39 +0000 (UTC), Richard
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 > The links That I am asking about are both "Internal" and "External".A few
 > months ago someone sent me a mail suggesting that I only have 30 links on my
 > page. Each of these links should have a google ranking of at least 4. The
 > email then said that if they all linked back to me I would get a high google
 > ranking?

Forget Google. Are the links useful to your visitors? Then include them.
If not, don't include them.

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