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jdck

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:29 am
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Hi everyone,


I was wondering if you could provide me with some
background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
to the various www sites and that works great, but I
cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
according to their user name and password. But what I am
trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
ftp://theirsite.com and not through one generic one. Is
there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
(assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:02 pm
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:29:23 -0700, "C. Kanas" <jdck DeleteThis @lineone.net>
wrote:

 >Hi everyone,
 >
 >
 >I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 >background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 >hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 >to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 >cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 >for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
 >this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 >and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 >according to their user name and password. But what I am
 >trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 >ftp://theirsite.com and not through one generic one. Is
 >there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 >address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
 >kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 >or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 >does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 >(assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 >ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.

Hello,

There are two ways you can do this depending on which version of IIS
you are using.

In IIS6 (Windows 2003) you can configure an Isolated FTP site which
keeps users' directories separate from each other.

In IIS5 (Windows 2000) you can configure users' home folders which
provides a form of isolation but isn't as intuitive as the new method
in IIS6. However, I've used the IIS5 method to host literally hundreds
of user's web sites on IIS5 servers and it does work well if properly
implemented.

Both methods require only one public IP address because you are using
only one FTP site with virtual directories and not multiple FTP sites.
There is no host headers functionality in <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://FTP." target="_blank">FTP.</a> To host multiple FTP
sites on one IP address you would have to use different ports for each
one - obviously yo can see the support issues this is going to cause
you.... Wink

More information here :

IIS6 :
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/IIS/6/all/proddocs/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/IIS/6/all/proddocs/en-us/wsa_ftp_isolate.asp" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/IIS/6/all/proddocs/en.../Defaul</a>

IIS5 :

How To Set Up an FTP Site So That Users Log Onto Their Folders
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?id=201771" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?id=201771</a>

HOW TO: Create a Secure FTP Directory that Uses Password
Authentication
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?id=239120" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?id=239120</a>


Regards,

Paul Lynch
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:10 pm
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:29:23 -0700, "C. Kanas" <jdck DeleteThis @lineone.net>
wrote:

 >I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 >background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 >hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 >to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 >cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 >for ftp site.

Can't.

 >I have tried using virtual directories and
 >this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 >and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 >according to their user name and password. But what I am
 >trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 >ftp://theirsite.com and not through one generic one. Is
 >there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 >address for each ftp site?

No.

 >If not do I need a special
 >kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 >or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 >does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 >(assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 >ISP's are doing it?

No.

ISP's use a shared IP usually, unless the web site is on its own IP.
You can point <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://ftp.site1.com" target="_blank">ftp.site1.com</a> and <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://ftp.site2.com" target="_blank">ftp.site2.com</a> to the same IP address
and the user uses <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://ftp.site1.com/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.site1.com/</a> to FTP and never knows it's
shared. You coulso direct them to use <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://host.co/" target="_blank">ftp://host.co/</a> where Host is
the ISP domain and everyone logs in with a unique username and ID.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:25 pm
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What you can do is install a third party FTP program such as ArgoFTP server
which can be found here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.argosoft.com/applications/ftpserver/." target="_blank">http://www.argosoft.com/applications/ftpserver/.</a>

This is an excellent alternative for a server running on 1 IP, you can
easily setup many users and have many connections to different FTP folders
at any given time. There are many other programs such as this one.
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Carroll


"C. Kanas" <jdck.TakeThisOut@lineone.net> wrote in message
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 > Hi everyone,
 >
 >
 > I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 > background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 > hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 > to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 > cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 > for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
 > this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 > and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 > according to their user name and password. But what I am
 > trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://theirsite.com" target="_blank">ftp://theirsite.com</a> and not through one generic one. Is
 > there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 > address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
 > kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 > or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 > does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 > (assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 > ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:34 pm
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:25:39 GMT, "Carroll" <unknown RemoveThis @noplace.com>
wrote:

 >What you can do is install a third party FTP program such as ArgoFTP server
<font color=purple> >which can be found here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.argosoft.com/applications/ftpserver/.</font" target="_blank">http://www.argosoft.com/applications/ftpserver/.</font</a>>
 >
 >This is an excellent alternative for a server running on 1 IP, you can
 >easily setup many users and have many connections to different FTP folders
 >at any given time. There are many other programs such as this one.

Although you're in the same boat as far as a single address...

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:45 am
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Not quite in the same boat...

With ArgoFTP the person logging on to their FTP area using a FTP client such
as CuteFTP or LeachFTP or what have you... they use their
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theirdomain.com" target="_blank">www.theirdomain.com</a> + the default Port 21 + username + password. The user
does not need the IP address of the server, it's seamless to the end user.


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Carroll


"C. Kanas" <jdck DeleteThis @lineone.net> wrote in message
news:04da01c4290d$14c5fd90$3a01280a@phx.gbl...
 > Hi everyone,
 >
 >
 > I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 > background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 > hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 > to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 > cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 > for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
 > this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 > and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 > according to their user name and password. But what I am
 > trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://theirsite.com" target="_blank">ftp://theirsite.com</a> and not through one generic one. Is
 > there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 > address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
 > kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 > or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 > does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 > (assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 > ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:42 pm
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It is exactly the same boat. The FTP protocol itself does not support
host-headers. You can only run a single FTP site on a single IP address.

IIS FTP supports things like User Isolation (just like other FTP servers),

Cheers
Ken


"Carroll" <unknown RemoveThis @noplace.com> wrote in message
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: Not quite in the same boat...
:
: With ArgoFTP the person logging on to their FTP area using a FTP client
such
: as CuteFTP or LeachFTP or what have you... they use their
: www.theirdomain.com + the default Port 21 + username + password. The user
: does not need the IP address of the server, it's seamless to the end user.
:
:
: --
:
:
: Regards,
:
: Carroll
:
:
: "C. Kanas" <jdck RemoveThis @lineone.net> wrote in message
: news:04da01c4290d$14c5fd90$3a01280a@phx.gbl...
: > Hi everyone,
: >
: >
: > I was wondering if you could provide me with some
: > background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
: > hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
: > to the various www sites and that works great, but I
: > cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
: > for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
: > this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
: > and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
: > according to their user name and password. But what I am
: > trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
: > ftp://theirsite.com and not through one generic one. Is
: > there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
: > address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
: > kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
: > or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
: > does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
: > (assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
: > ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.
:
:
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:42 pm
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No it's not.... your boat is yours... I have my own so how can it be the
same?

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"Ken Schaefer" <kenREMOVE RemoveThis @THISadOpenStatic.com> wrote in message
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 > It is exactly the same boat. The FTP protocol itself does not support
 > host-headers. You can only run a single FTP site on a single IP address.
 >
 > IIS FTP supports things like User Isolation (just like other FTP servers),
 >
 > Cheers
 > Ken
 >
 >
 > "Carroll" <unknown RemoveThis @noplace.com> wrote in message
 > news:Y7gic.26845$Np3.982494@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
 > : Not quite in the same boat...
 > :
 > : With ArgoFTP the person logging on to their FTP area using a FTP client
 > such
 > : as CuteFTP or LeachFTP or what have you... they use their
 > : <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theirdomain.com" target="_blank">www.theirdomain.com</a> + the default Port 21 + username + password. The
user
 > : does not need the IP address of the server, it's seamless to the end
user.
 > :
 > :
 > : --
 > :
 > :
 > : Regards,
 > :
 > : Carroll
 > :
 > :
 > : "C. Kanas" <jdck RemoveThis @lineone.net> wrote in message
 > : news:04da01c4290d$14c5fd90$3a01280a@phx.gbl...
 > : > Hi everyone,
 > : >
 > : >
 > : > I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 > : > background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 > : > hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 > : > to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 > : > cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 > : > for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
 > : > this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 > : > and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 > : > according to their user name and password. But what I am
 > : > trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 > : > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://theirsite.com" target="_blank">ftp://theirsite.com</a> and not through one generic one. Is
 > : > there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 > : > address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
 > : > kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 > : > or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 > : > does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 > : > (assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 > : > ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.
 > :
 > :
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:42 pm
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NO, sorry Ken. I have over 35 sites on my server, 1 IP, and each site (that
needs ftp) has their own FTP log in on that IP using their domain name to
log on with. I use a third party program that allows me to do just that.

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"Ken Schaefer" <kenREMOVE.DeleteThis@THISadOpenStatic.com> wrote in message
news:ehC4k7bKEHA.1764@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
 > It is exactly the same boat. The FTP protocol itself does not support
 > host-headers. You can only run a single FTP site on a single IP address.
 >
 > IIS FTP supports things like User Isolation (just like other FTP servers),
 >
 > Cheers
 > Ken
 >
 >
 > "Carroll" <unknown.DeleteThis@noplace.com> wrote in message
 > news:Y7gic.26845$Np3.982494@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
 > : Not quite in the same boat...
 > :
 > : With ArgoFTP the person logging on to their FTP area using a FTP client
 > such
 > : as CuteFTP or LeachFTP or what have you... they use their
 > : <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theirdomain.com" target="_blank">www.theirdomain.com</a> + the default Port 21 + username + password. The
user
 > : does not need the IP address of the server, it's seamless to the end
user.
 > :
 > :
 > : --
 > :
 > :
 > : Regards,
 > :
 > : Carroll
 > :
 > :
 > : "C. Kanas" <jdck.DeleteThis@lineone.net> wrote in message
 > : news:04da01c4290d$14c5fd90$3a01280a@phx.gbl...
 > : > Hi everyone,
 > : >
 > : >
 > : > I was wondering if you could provide me with some
 > : > background on this one. I am trying to setup a small
 > : > hosting company. I have used host headers to allow access
 > : > to the various www sites and that works great, but I
 > : > cannot for the life of me figure ot how I can do the same
 > : > for ftp site. I have tried using virtual directories and
 > : > this works fine if I give everybody the same ftp address
 > : > and then get windows to redirect them to the right folder
 > : > according to their user name and password. But what I am
 > : > trying to achieve is to allow each customer to connect to
 > : > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://theirsite.com" target="_blank">ftp://theirsite.com</a> and not through one generic one. Is
 > : > there a way for this to be done without using a unique IP
 > : > address for each ftp site? If not do I need a special
 > : > kind of router (for example only specific Cisco models)
 > : > or can I do this with any old firewalled ADSL router? It
 > : > does seem as a fairly expensive way to go abou it
 > : > (assigning unique public IP addresses), so is this how
 > : > ISP's are doing it? Thank you very much for your help.
 > :
 > :
 >
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:54 pm
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:45:28 GMT, "Carroll" <unknown.RemoveThis@noplace.com>
wrote:

 >Not quite in the same boat...
 >
 >With ArgoFTP the person logging on to their FTP area using a FTP client such
 >as CuteFTP or LeachFTP or what have you... they use their
 >www.theirdomain.com + the default Port 21 + username + password. The user
 >does not need the IP address of the server, it's seamless to the end user.

That's perfectly fine with Microsoft's FTP as well. Since all www
hosts use the same IP, specifying port 21 automatically takes you to
the FTP service. The logon and password is what sends you to the
correct location. In Server 2003, using an isolation mode restricts
users from ever knowing the other sites exist, in versions lower than
that you need to use the solution provided by Ken to access separate
folders per user. Adding virtual folders to the mix will even prevent
users from being able to traverse up a level and see, but not access,
the other user's folders.

Provided an FTP client is used, you shouldn't even need to specify the
port. Naturally, correct use of DNS is applicable, but if the OP got
it right for host headers, it should work fine here as well.

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