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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:19 am
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I know Google's inner workings are pretty much undocumented, so
everything is a guess game.

But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
shunning my pages? (http://www.discountcadavers.com)

Google indexes the first page. Every month the spider comes in,
almost like a clockwork, and gets the first page. But it never
follows the links any deeper.

This started happening around April 2004. What I did around
that time is clean up the HTML, and I got rid of the tables.

I also made a PHP script, that would serve the page in desired
language. Eg. /index.php?lang=en would give the English page,
and /index.php?lang=fi the Finnish page. Those were the only
two languages I had, and if the page was requested without the
language parameter, the English version would be given.

Actually, having noticed the problem in Google's indexing,
I shortened the English version links by removing the language
parameter altogether.

Even this did not help. But I can't see how either the PHP or CSS
layout could prevent Google from caching the page.

If I do a search on Google "site:mikkopel.dyndns.org", I see
that Google has in its index 6 pages. The weird thing is that
all of them, excluding the first page, are _over 8 months old_.

Those pages haven't even existed for months. There has been a
301-redirect in effect. Not that it matters, since Google hasn't
asked for the pages anyway, judging from Apache's logs. But
they're still in Google's index.

I see plenty of pages with PHP parameters in Google.

Also what could be causing it is the redirect to dyndns.org -address.
But if that were the case, why would the first page be indexed?
Plus I see other dyndns.org -pages in Google.

So now I have changed some of the pages back to static,
instead of dynamic to see if Google picks them up again within
a few months. The annoying thing is that I have to wait a while
before I see the results...

Any other ideas, what could be causing this?

Before all this, Google would go through the whole site within a
few days, and it would rank with applicable keywords.

And no, I don't have a robots.txt, at all.

Also, I registered this domain less than a month ago, to
which I'm moving from editor.is.dreaming.org. So that may be
mixing Google up a bit more for the next couple of months. But
it doesn't matter, since this started even way before that.

Or could it be the previous dyndns.org's Webhop -redirect that
screwed everything up? Maybe it was changed somehow around
spring 2004...

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:19 am
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Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:

  > I know Google's inner workings are pretty much undocumented, so
  > everything is a guess game.

  > But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
  > shunning my pages? (http://www.discountcadavers.com)

So just what would a surfer be searching for to find you?
I'd say your damn lucky that google even bothers since your site is on
dyns.org.
Meaning your paying to host a domain name that redirects to your home
computer.
A very irregular way to be found for sure.

BTW, what do I get discounted on a cadaver? An arm and/or a leg?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:35 am
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Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Mikko Peltoniemi <mikkopel.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
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 > But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
 > shunning my pages? (http://www.discountcadavers.com)

My only guess (since that's not actually the address of the site) is the
port number in the address.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:35 am
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Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:

 > But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
 > shunning my pages? (http://www.discountcadavers.com)

I may be misremembering, but I *think* I remember discountcadavers.com
as a very funny site before it got set up to redirect to el Mikko -- if you
don't mind extremely gross humor.

It seems possible that something in the machinery of the Google indexer is
being bent out of shape by the change to a basically everyday personal
site? Perhaps a database of values that have suddenly changed makes it
think that something strange is going on?

Does anyone else remember discountcadavers?
If the sysop is not a native English speaker, s/he may not realize the
meaning of discountcadavers?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:35 am
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Mark Parnell wrote:

 > My only guess (since that's not actually the address of the site) is the
 > port number in the address.

True, that's what I've been thinking too. But what speaks against it, is
that everything worked well, until last spring. Of course, Google could
change their operation any time.

But also, Google does index the first page, so why doesn't the port
thing affect that?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:35 am
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mbstevens wrote:

 > It seems possible that something in the machinery of the Google indexer is
 > being bent out of shape by the change to a basically everyday personal
 > site? Perhaps a database of values that have suddenly changed makes it
 > think that something strange is going on?

No, this isn't the case, since all this started even when the main
address was just <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://editor.is.dreaming.org." target="_blank">http://editor.is.dreaming.org.</a> Which still works, too.

Actually, the <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.discountcadavers.com" target="_blank">www.discountcadavers.com</a> just got updated first time today
to Google's index, from a crawl two days ago. So that's a completely new
thing, and Google not indexing is an old thing.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:40 am
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Richard wrote:

 > So just what would a surfer be searching for to find you?

People have found me mostly by searching for something that's in
my pictures, or by my name.

 > I'd say your damn lucky that google even bothers since your site is on
 > dyns.org.

Google indexes a lot of dyndns.org -sites.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adyndns.org&btnG=Search" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adyndns.org&btnG=Search</a>

 > BTW, what do I get discounted on a cadaver? An arm and/or a leg?

No, but you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for one.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:35 am
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Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:

 > mbstevens wrote:
 >
  >> It seems possible that something in the machinery of the Google indexer
  >> is
  >> being bent out of shape by the change to a basically everyday personal
  >> site? Perhaps a database of values that have suddenly changed makes it
  >> think that something strange is going on?
 >
 > No, this isn't the case, since all this started even when the main
 > address was just <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://editor.is.dreaming.org." target="_blank">http://editor.is.dreaming.org.</a> Which still works, too.
 >
 > Actually, the <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.discountcadavers.com" target="_blank">www.discountcadavers.com</a> just got updated first time today
 > to Google's index, from a crawl two days ago. So that's a completely new
 > thing, and Google not indexing is an old thing.
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:35 am
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mbstevens wrote:

 > May I ask how you came to own the discountcadavers name?

It was open. And I don't think there ever was a website there, since
google finds no links. And I've seen no traffic during this time
that would indicate previous website.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:35 am
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Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:

 > mbstevens wrote:
 >
  >> May I ask how you came to own the discountcadavers name?
 >
 > It was open. And I don't think there ever was a website there, since
 > google finds no links. And I've seen no traffic during this time
 > that would indicate previous website.
 >
Well, scientists trying to acquire dead bodies (cadavers) on the cheap has a
long history in English literature. Some of Robert Louis Stevenson's
stories have it, and of course Dr. Frankenstein should have been more
careful with his sources.

I just want to make sure you are aware of the metaphors you're associating
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:35 am
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Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Mikko Peltoniemi <mikkopel.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
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 > It was open. And I don't think there ever was a website there, since
 > google finds no links. And I've seen no traffic during this time
 > that would indicate previous website.

Nothing at archive.org either.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:35 am
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Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned Mikko Peltoniemi
<mikkopel.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> who replied:

 >I know Google's inner workings are pretty much undocumented, so
 >everything is a guess game.
 >
 >But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
 >shunning my pages?

Have you tried reviewing the documentation at Google? Asking them?
Afterall, they don't need to guess at the answers....

Matt

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:45 am
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:19:47 -0500, Mikko Peltoniemi
<mikkopel.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >I know Google's inner workings are pretty much undocumented, so
 >everything is a guess game.
 >

Hi
 >But could anybody shed any lite as to why Google seems to be
 >shunning my pages? (http://www.discountcadavers.com)

Well, when I click on the above link, i get redirected to
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mikkopel.dyndns.org:1000" target="_blank">http://mikkopel.dyndns.org:1000</a> which contains loads of broken links.
And took forever to go through. In fact I gave up waiting.

I know if a spider gets a lot of broken links, it leaves.

I have spidered <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.discountcadavers.com" target="_blank">http://www.discountcadavers.com</a> and
same happened as above.

That was tested using
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/gettarget.php" target="_blank">http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/gettarget.php</a>

Another spider
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webconfs.com/search-engine-spider-simulator.php" target="_blank">http://www.webconfs.com/search-engine-spider-simulator.php</a>
gives you a list of spidered links ,,,,,,,,,,,,, result : 0


I have also heard that S/E have trouble with php addresses . I maybe
wrong as I am no PHP expert Sad
Maybe someone else may have an answer to that bit.
plh
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:41 am
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:40:52 -0500, Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:

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  >> BTW, what do I get discounted on a cadaver? An arm and/or a leg?
 >
 > No, but you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for one.

I liked that Smile


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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:07 am
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Paul Burke wrote:

 > That was tested using
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/gettarget.php</font" target="_blank">http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/gettarget.php</font</a>>

This one seems to give broken links because it seems to drop
the port number from the address. No wonder nothing works.

But the question is, would Google do the same mistake?
Probably not, since I think I've seen different ports
on Google...

 > Another spider
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.webconfs.com/search-engine-spider-simulator.php</font" target="_blank">http://www.webconfs.com/search-engine-spider-simulator.php</font</a>>
 > gives you a list of spidered links ,,,,,,,,,,,,, result : 0

I don't get exactly that, but I don't get any spidered links
either. I wonder why...

 > I have also heard that S/E have trouble with php addresses . I maybe

Especially PHP with queries. But these queries aren't exactly long and
complex.

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