GoDaddy.com vs. 1and1

"Richard" <anonymous DeleteThis @127.000> wrote in message
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 > John Seeliger wrote:
 >
  > > Apart from a TONIC domain, a doteasy domain and a 1and1 domain, I have
  > > all of my domains with godaddy.com. I got the doteasy for free
hosting.
  > > I got the 1and1 because I wanted a .name and also I got their 3 free
  > > years, but it is not yet set up. I want to pick up some more domains
and
  > > in some cases I am likely to just forward them domain(s) to another
  > > domain. Which should I use? The 1and1 is cheaper (though we are only
  > > talking $3/year), but I would like to not pay the $3 for no real gain.
  > > OTOH, it would be nice to have it with most of my other ones.
 >
 > Read godady's TOS/AUP.
 > It says that they have ultimate control over the content of your site
 > whether you host with them or not.
 > See paragraph 7 of the domain name registration agreement.
 > This is not the job of the registrar.
 > I have filed a complaint with ICANN on this issue.

"
7. RESTRICTION OF SERVICES; RIGHT OF REFUSAL
You agree not to use the services provided by Go Daddy, or to allow or
enable others, to use the services provided by Go Daddy for the purposes of:
The transmission of unsolicited email (SPAM)
Repetitive, high volume inquires into any of the services provided by Go
Daddy (i.e. domain name availability, etc.).
You agree that Go Daddy, in its sole discretion and without liability to
You, may refuse to accept the registration of any domain name. Go Daddy also
may in its sole discretion and without liability to You delete the
registration of any domain name during the first thirty (30) days after
registration has taken place. Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a
domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used in
association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally
objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities
designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass
third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or
foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to
encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and
child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive
of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise
objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third
party; and activities designed to harm minors in any way. In the event Go
Daddy refuses a registration or deletes an existing registration during the
first thirty (30) days after registration, You will receive a refund of any
fees paid to Go Daddy in connection with the registration either being
canceled or refused. In the event Go Daddy deletes the registration of a
domain name being used in association with spam or morally objectionable
activities, no refund will be issued. "

I suppose they could declare anything they want to to be morally
objectionable and cancel your registration, but is there any evidence they
have ever done that for any lawful non-spam act?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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John Seeliger wrote:

  > "Richard" <anonymous.TakeThisOut@127.000> wrote in message
  > news:c2okfr0ur7@enews4.newsguy.com...
   >> John Seeliger wrote:
   >>
    > >> Apart from a TONIC domain, a doteasy domain and a 1and1 domain, I
    > >> have all of my domains with godaddy.com. I got the doteasy for free
  > hosting.
    > >> I got the 1and1 because I wanted a .name and also I got their 3 free
    > >> years, but it is not yet set up. I want to pick up some more domains
  > and
    > >> in some cases I am likely to just forward them domain(s) to another
    > >> domain. Which should I use? The 1and1 is cheaper (though we are
    > >> only talking $3/year), but I would like to not pay the $3 for no real
    > >>gain. OTOH, it would be nice to have it with most of my other ones.
   >>
   >> Read godady's TOS/AUP.
   >> It says that they have ultimate control over the content of your site
   >> whether you host with them or not.
   >> See paragraph 7 of the domain name registration agreement.
   >> This is not the job of the registrar.
   >> I have filed a complaint with ICANN on this issue.

  > "
  > 7. RESTRICTION OF SERVICES; RIGHT OF REFUSAL
  > You agree not to use the services provided by Go Daddy, or to allow or
  > enable others, to use the services provided by Go Daddy for the purposes
  > of: The transmission of unsolicited email (SPAM)
  > Repetitive, high volume inquires into any of the services provided by Go
  > Daddy (i.e. domain name availability, etc.).
  > You agree that Go Daddy, in its sole discretion and without liability to
  > You, may refuse to accept the registration of any domain name. Go Daddy
  > also may in its sole discretion and without liability to You delete the
  > registration of any domain name during the first thirty (30) days after
  > registration has taken place. Go Daddy may also cancel the registration
  > of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used in
  > association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally
  > objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities
  > designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass
  > third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States
  > and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities
  > designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes,
  > terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar,
  > obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically,
  > or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the
  > identity of a third party; and activities designed to harm minors in any
  > way. In the event Go Daddy refuses a registration or deletes an existing
  > registration during the first thirty (30) days after registration, You
  > will receive a refund of any fees paid to Go Daddy in connection with the
  > registration either being canceled or refused. In the event Go Daddy
  > deletes the registration of a domain name being used in association with
  > spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued. "

  > I suppose they could declare anything they want to to be morally
  > objectionable and cancel your registration, but is there any evidence
  > they have ever done that for any lawful non-spam act?

I registered my domain through godaddy and have a host that allows adult
content.
Because of one image, and one complaint, godaddy decided that the content
was objectionable to their TOS.
I filed a formal complaint with ICANN and one with the CEO of godaddy.

It is not the job of the domain registrar to determine what is or what is
not morally objectionable.
The job of the registrar is to ensure that your desired domain name is
listed with the proper channels.
As a host, that's a different matter. I was not hosted by them so they had
no business telling me what I could or could not post to my website.

Morally objectionable or art?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=20" target="_blank">http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=20</a>

This picture is what the fuss was all about.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9" target="_blank">http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9</a>
One topless teenage girl flippin the bird.
The complaint said she was naked and a 10 year old and that it was child
pornography.
I doubt if godaddy even looked at the image.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Richard wrote:

 > [snippage]
 > I registered my domain through godaddy and have a host that allows adult
 > content.
 > Because of one image, and one complaint, godaddy decided that the content
 > was objectionable to their TOS.
 > I filed a formal complaint with ICANN and one with the CEO of godaddy.
 >

Consider the ownership of GoDaddy!
Bob Parsons, formerly prorpietor of Parsons Technology, is the
owner of GoDaddy. So what?

Parsons is a big time Thumper.
Anything contrary to his christian superstition is gonna weigh
heavily on his registrants.

Lesson? ... Know those with whom you do business.


 > It is not the job of the domain registrar to determine what is or what is
 > not morally objectionable.
 > The job of the registrar is to ensure that your desired domain name is
 > listed with the proper channels.
 > As a host, that's a different matter. I was not hosted by them so they had
 > no business telling me what I could or could not post to my website.
 >
 > Morally objectionable or art?
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=20</font" target="_blank">http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=20</font</a>>
 >
 > This picture is what the fuss was all about.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9</font" target="_blank">http://www.richardbullis.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9</font</a>>
 > One topless teenage girl flippin the bird.
 > The complaint said she was naked and a 10 year old and that it was child
 > pornography.
 > I doubt if godaddy even looked at the image.
 >
 >
 >


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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:26:01 -0800, Rex Karz wrote:

 > Richard wrote:
 >
  >> [snippage]
  >> I registered my domain through godaddy and have a host that allows adult
  >> content.
  >> Because of one image, and one complaint, godaddy decided that the content
  >> was objectionable to their TOS.
  >> I filed a formal complaint with ICANN and one with the CEO of godaddy.
  >>
 >
 > Consider the ownership of GoDaddy!
 > Bob Parsons, formerly prorpietor of Parsons Technology, is the
 > owner of GoDaddy. So what?
 >
 > Parsons is a big time Thumper.
 > Anything contrary to his christian superstition is gonna weigh
 > heavily on his registrants.
 >
 > Lesson? ... Know those with whom you do business.

You mean everytime I do an online business anywhere, I have to find out who
the owner is and what his christian or religious beliefs are? That sounds
absurd!

How did you find out who and what a Bob Parsons is?


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Rex Karz wrote:
 > ...
 > Lesson? ... Know those with whom you do business.

bloody good advice - anyone who does biz with me is welcome to get the beers
in anytime they like ;o)

advice/support/comfort given freely while you're buying

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Karim wrote:

 > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:26:01 -0800, Rex Karz wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Richard wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>[snippage]
   >>>I registered my domain through godaddy and have a host that allows adult
   >>>content.
   >>>Because of one image, and one complaint, godaddy decided that the content
   >>>was objectionable to their TOS.
   >>>I filed a formal complaint with ICANN and one with the CEO of godaddy.
   >>>
  >>
  >>Consider the ownership of GoDaddy!
  >>Bob Parsons, formerly prorpietor of Parsons Technology, is the
  >>owner of GoDaddy. So what?
  >>
  >>Parsons is a big time Thumper.
  >>Anything contrary to his christian superstition is gonna weigh
  >>heavily on his registrants.
  >>
  >>Lesson? ... Know those with whom you do business.
 >
 >
 > You mean everytime I do an online business anywhere, I have to find out who
 > the owner is and what his christian or religious beliefs are? That sounds
 > absurd!
 >
 > How did you find out who and what a Bob Parsons is?
 >

I was a customer of Parsons Technology <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.parsonstech.com" target="_blank">http://www.parsonstech.com</a>
a long time ago. Parsons sold the company to Broderbund some
years ago. They had an adaquate address book application back in
the days of Win16. See also: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/yuwjs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yuwjs</a> and
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/2olo7" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2olo7</a>

Parsons Tech also published numerous Bible study applications.

Parsons is also a lawyer by training. The story I recall, from
Parsons Tech advertizing material, was that he practiced law, then
discovered software technology and changed careers. Parsons Tech
also had a "legal advice" application that would help with forms,
dumb user thought processes, etc. That application had a
rudimentary "pre-nuptual" agreement thingie. I asked, via tech
support email, waayyyyy back then if there was an option for
making the pre-nup thingie into a Living-Together thingie. The
answer was a resounding NO; Parsons was a Thumper. ... I ended up
with the Nolo Press book; it did what I needed.

I think Parsons sold his lawyer application to Intuit, now sold as
"Family Lawyer". I could be wrong on this topic.

I read somewhere, I forgot where, that Parsons got itchy not
having a company to run and started GoDaddy. I could be wrong on
this topic too.

All the internet domains I administer (several score) are
registered with GoDaddy. I moved 'em from NetSol because GoDaddy
is sooooooo, sooooo much easier, nicer, more efficient, better web
interface, and cheaper(!) ... than NetSol.

This is all from memory. I'm getting old and have a bad case of
CRS. My apologies to Mr. Parsons if I got the data wrong. I'll
retract and/or correct anything I said if someone convinces me
that I goofed.

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