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kathy_742xyz

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:11 am
Post subject: Dreamweaver DocType Error (help)
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Dear Webmasters,

I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it through a W3C
validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried to figure
out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the beginning of the
source code but I am confused. I saw something about downloading a plug-in
and some mention of XML and that confused me further.
Please - any help for a novice?

And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with HTML generated
by Dreamweaver?

Thank you,
Kathy

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:11 am
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"Kathy" <kathy_742XYZ.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Dear Webmasters,
|
| I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it
through a W3C
| validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried
to figure
| out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the
beginning of the
| source code but I am confused. I saw something about
downloading a plug-in
| and some mention of XML and that confused me further.
| Please - any help for a novice?
|
| And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with
HTML generated
| by Dreamweaver?
|
| Thank you,
| Kathy
|

You'll find a full list of the W3C's DocTypes here

http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

Personally, with today's browsers, new pages should be able to
validate as HTML 4.01 Strict.

Unless you have a specific reason for doing so, I don't see any
reason to use XHTML. At the very least, your pages should
validate as HTML 4.01 Transitional.

Hopefully your not using frames.

hth
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:52 am
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Kathy wrote:
 > ...
 > I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it through
 > a W3C validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried
 > to figure out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the
 > beginning of the source code but I am confused.

There are others but this one is usually recommended for new documents:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

 > I saw something about
 > downloading a plug-in and some mention of XML and that confused me
 > further. Please - any help for a novice?

red herrings - ignore them for the minute.

 > And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with HTML
 > generated by Dreamweaver?

If I told you that you'd never want to use D/W again ;o)

Verbose markup is among its worst attributes.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:41 am
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  > > And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with HTML
  > > generated by Dreamweaver?
 >
 > If I told you that you'd never want to use D/W again ;o)
 >
 > Verbose markup is among its worst attributes.
 >
 > --
 > William Tasso
 >
William,
I am going to test the HTML4 Strict and, possibly the Transitional. My
problem is I just don't have the knowledge level - and these links to
explaining it are making my brain hurt! Meanwhile - I did find a different
site:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.haroldbakker.com/extensions/doctype.php" target="_blank">http://www.haroldbakker.com/extensions/doctype.php</a> that may(?) also be
useful.

I think I understand about the Verbose problem in Dreamweaver. Do you
suggest any other programs? I have tried so hard to "keep it clean". I would
be curious to know your thoughts on the site thus far. It is at:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.comcast.net/~km-design" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~km-design</a>

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:39 am
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:11:05 GMT "Kathy" <kathy_742XYZ.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
broke off from drinking a cup of tea at Comcast Online to write:

 >Dear Webmasters,
 >
 >I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it through a W3C
 >validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried to figure
 >out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the beginning of the
 >source code but I am confused. I saw something about downloading a plug-in
 >and some mention of XML and that confused me further.
 >Please - any help for a novice?

I always say don't specify a doctype. A doctype is an instruction to
the browser to interpret the HTML according to one of many HTMLcommand
sets.

If you don't specify a doctype, then the browser is free to get on and
interpret the HTML as it wants. Otherwise you can find that you are
including HTML commands which are not contained within the specified
and restrictive doctype, and as such are ignored by the browser.

The reality is, the Internet is not standard. W3C publishes sets of
HTMl commands and IE and Netscape add their own interpretations and
commands, causing W3C to amend their own specifications, drop
commands, change names and god knows what. So long as it displays
okay, don't worry about it.

Matt

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:49 pm
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"Kathy" <kathy_742XYZ.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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   > > > And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with HTML
   > > > generated by Dreamweaver?
  > >
  > > If I told you that you'd never want to use D/W again ;o)
  > >
  > > Verbose markup is among its worst attributes.
  > >
  > > --
  > > William Tasso
  > >
 > William,
 > I am going to test the HTML4 Strict and, possibly the Transitional. My
 > problem is I just don't have the knowledge level - and these links to
 > explaining it are making my brain hurt! Meanwhile - I did find a different
 > site:
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.haroldbakker.com/extensions/doctype.php" target="_blank">http://www.haroldbakker.com/extensions/doctype.php</a> that may(?) also be
 > useful.

DW is one of the best tools out there, especially the latest version, but a
good knowledge of HTML / web technology is just important...

Doc types are important for future proofing, it means that the site will be
seen as it should be... most of the sites I have produced in the past have
not got doc types and I have to be honest, I am not worried about that...

The design is excellent, the notes I would make are that the two blues
(links in the top bar) are too close... could it be white or something that
contrasts with blue?

The other ones is that the text is just a little bit too small, whilst it
looks good, try one size up on all text!

Oh, also some of the pages are a bit long, could they be seperate pages
rather than really long pages...

Take a quick look at Jacob Nielsons website <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://useit.com/" target="_blank">http://useit.com/</a> I disagree
with a lot he says, but long pages and pyramid writing style are two things
which are very important....

HTH's

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:46 pm
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"Kathy" <kathy_742XYZ RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Dear Webmasters,
 >
 > I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it through a
W3C
 > validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried to figure
 > out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the beginning of the
 > source code but I am confused. I saw something about downloading a plug-in
 > and some mention of XML and that confused me further.
 > Please - any help for a novice?
 >
 > And - any other suggestions, things I should be aware of with HTML
generated
 > by Dreamweaver?
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=doctype+definition&spell=1" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=doctype+definition&spell=1</a>

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html</a>


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None of the above is endorsed and is provided for informational purposes
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:09 pm
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"Matt Probert" <comments.DeleteThis@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:11:05 GMT "Kathy" <kathy_742XYZ.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
 > broke off from drinking a cup of tea at Comcast Online to write:
 >
  > >Dear Webmasters,
  > >
  > >I am designing my first web site in Dreamweaver (4). I ran it through a
W3C
  > >validation and rec'd the fatal error "No Doc Type." I've tried to figure
  > >out by looking on the web what I should be adding to the beginning of the
  > >source code but I am confused. I saw something about downloading a
plug-in
  > >and some mention of XML and that confused me further.
  > >Please - any help for a novice?
 >
 > I always say don't specify a doctype. A doctype is an instruction to
 > the browser to interpret the HTML according to one of many HTMLcommand
 > sets.

er, just HTML ?

 > If you don't specify a doctype, then the browser is free to get on and
 > interpret the HTML as it wants.

ergo, you are free to construct your own and take the guess work out.

 >Otherwise you can find that you are
 > including HTML commands which are not contained within the specified
 > and restrictive doctype, and as such are ignored by the browser.


No DTD = box model problem in IE6
with DTD = compliance mode = problem solved.

 > The reality is, the Internet is not standard. W3C publishes sets of
 > HTMl commands and IE and Netscape add their own interpretations and
 > commands, causing W3C to amend their own specifications, drop
 > commands, change names and god knows what. So long as it displays
 > okay, don't worry about it.
 >
 > Matt
 >


....and they, of course, are the only two browsers out there.
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