DMOZ

it appears it is chaotic. Last time, I sutmit it, no response. So I thought
maybe they need an editor. So I submit and want to be an editor, someone
reply and said there is already an editor of that category.

My website still has not been added to the category.

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 > "BigC" <jt.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately?
 >
 > Nope.
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 > Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
 > I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I hit
 > submit.

I gave up with them about 2 months ago.
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Alan D-W wrote:
 > "BigC" <jt.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  >> Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
  >> I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I
  >> hit submit.
 >
 > I gave up with them about 2 months ago.

it (dmoz) was a good idea at the time. Its time appears to have passed and
it should now be dropped by google et al.

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"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked DeleteThis @tbdata.com> wrote in message
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 > Alan D-W wrote:
  > > "BigC" <jt DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
  > > news:02fenv4vak8kesiijjraq5e31p24ecsbvg@4ax.com...
   > >> Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
   > >> I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I
   > >> hit submit.
  > >
  > > I gave up with them about 2 months ago.
 >
 > it (dmoz) was a good idea at the time. Its time appears to have passed
and
 > it should now be dropped by google et al.
 >

It's another service being destroyed by spammer's automated submissions.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html" target="_blank">http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html</a> tool may be hitting the
DMOZ servers pretty hard. Why you think it should be dropped as a resource
for Google to find sites is beyond me. It still has valid sites and is still
getting many submissions. There are people who apparently are getting
submissions into various categories. I just added a bunch of sites to some
categories that I edit. Sorry I didn't note the time they were submitted.
Maybe there's an off time that it's not being hit so hard. There's also a
thread in the editor discussion forum where an editor tried and failed using
IE but was successful with Opera. One problem being reported is spiders. If
you've ever had some email address harvesting spider crawl your site,
imagine how DMOZ gets hit due to the many sites that use CGI scripts to pull
results from DMOZ and those sites get hit. Even though my robots.txt file
denies /cgi-bin/ I had a robot rack up 50,000 hits on my DMOZ interface
script.


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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:44:00 +0100 "William Tasso"
<SpamBlocked.TakeThisOut@tbdata.com> broke off from drinking a cup of tea at href=" <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.WilliamTasso.com/" target="_blank">http://www.WilliamTasso.com/"> William Tasso </a> to write:

 >Alan D-W wrote:
  >> "BigC" <jt.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
  >> news:02fenv4vak8kesiijjraq5e31p24ecsbvg@4ax.com...
   >>> Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
   >>> I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I
   >>> hit submit.
  >>
  >> I gave up with them about 2 months ago.
 >
 >it (dmoz) was a good idea at the time. Its time appears to have passed and
 >it should now be dropped by google et al.
 >

I still use it, though Google.

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"McWebber" <mcwebber.RemoveThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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 > "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.RemoveThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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  >> it (dmoz) was a good idea at the time. Its time appears to have
  >> passed and it should now be dropped by google et al.
  >>
 >
 > It's another service being destroyed by spammer's automated
 > submissions. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html" target="_blank">http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html</a> tool
 > may be hitting the DMOZ servers pretty hard.

DMOZ could easily fix that if they had the will and the resources to do so.

 > Why you think it should
 > be dropped as a resource for Google to find sites is beyond me.

Because it's broken and has been for a long time now.

 > It
 > still has valid sites and is still getting many submissions. There
 > are people who apparently are getting submissions into various
 > categories. I just added a bunch of sites to some categories that I
 > edit.

No wonder you still think it's good then.


 > Sorry I didn't note the time they were submitted. Maybe there's
 > an off time that it's not being hit so hard. There's also a thread in
 > the editor discussion forum where an editor tried and failed using IE
 > but was successful with Opera.

So we should fiddle around with different browsers and submitting at
different times and maybe with enough effort we can get our sites in like
the editors can. I've been trying for many months.

 > One problem being reported is spiders.
 > If you've ever had some email address harvesting spider crawl your
 > site, imagine how DMOZ gets hit due to the many sites that use CGI
 > scripts to pull results from DMOZ and those sites get hit. Even
 > though my robots.txt file denies /cgi-bin/ I had a robot rack up
 > 50,000 hits on my DMOZ interface script.

Google doesn't seem to having the same problems If DMOZ can't afford to
commit enough resources to fix itself, it's time for it to go away
completely. Right now it's giving a great advantage to people who are
already in the database and editors who apparently can still get their sites
listed, but it's putting everyone else at a great disadvantage.
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 > Google doesn't seem to having the same problems If DMOZ can't afford
to
 > commit enough resources to fix itself, it's time for it to go away
 > completely. Right now it's giving a great advantage to people who are
 > already in the database and editors who apparently can still get their
sites
 > listed, but it's putting everyone else at a great disadvantage.

From the perspective of the ODP, webmasters aren't the users. It is
surfers. A site doesn't even have to be submitted for an editor to add
it. With over a million unreviewed sites in the queue, I'm not exactly
convinced a temporary problem stopping new submissions is all that much
of a problem.
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"Red E. Kilowatt" <rekilowatt.DeleteThis@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
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 > "McWebber" <mcwebber.DeleteThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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  > > "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked.DeleteThis@tbdata.com> wrote in message
  > > news:bl99cn$96lre$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
   > >> it (dmoz) was a good idea at the time. Its time appears to have
   > >> passed and it should now be dropped by google et al.
   > >>
  > >
  > > It's another service being destroyed by spammer's automated
  > > submissions. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html" target="_blank">http://www.quickportal.co.uk/dynamic/sub2000.html</a> tool
  > > may be hitting the DMOZ servers pretty hard.
 >
 > DMOZ could easily fix that if they had the will and the resources to do
so.

Being non-profit they have the will but maybe not all the resources.

 >
  > > Why you think it should
  > > be dropped as a resource for Google to find sites is beyond me.
 >
 > Because it's broken and has been for a long time now.

That makes no difference to the relevance of the sites to Google's search.

 >
  > > It
  > > still has valid sites and is still getting many submissions. There
  > > are people who apparently are getting submissions into various
  > > categories. I just added a bunch of sites to some categories that I
  > > edit.
 >
 > No wonder you still think it's good then.

So the sites listed should no longer be indexed by Google? Why?

 >
 >
  > > Sorry I didn't note the time they were submitted. Maybe there's
  > > an off time that it's not being hit so hard. There's also a thread in
  > > the editor discussion forum where an editor tried and failed using IE
  > > but was successful with Opera.
 >
 > So we should fiddle around with different browsers and submitting at
 > different times and maybe with enough effort we can get our sites in like
 > the editors can.

If you want your sites listed. Otherwise don't bother or wait and try again.
I'm not adding sites. I'm adding sites that have been submitted though the
suggest a site form.

 > I've been trying for many months.

So? Tough luck. It's free.

 >
 > Google doesn't seem to having the same problems If DMOZ can't afford to
 > commit enough resources to fix itself, it's time for it to go away
 > completely.

It works fine as far as Google is concerned. Google finds sites in other
places as well.

 > Right now it's giving a great advantage to people who are
 > already in the database and editors who apparently can still get their
sites
 > listed, but it's putting everyone else at a great disadvantage.

Well, they're not editors submitting the sites I added to my categories. So
apparently it's working for some.


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McWebber wrote:
 > "Red E. Kilowatt" <rekilowatt.RemoveThis@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
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[adding sites to dMoz]

  >> ...
  >> I've been trying for many months.
 >
 > So? Tough luck. It's free.
 >

clearly displays the problem and is why the weight that dmoz carries with
seo should be down-graded with immediate effect.

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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:53:53 GMT, BigC <jt RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

 >Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
 >I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I hit
 >submit.

Been trying for weeks. Nothing but timeouts and error messages.

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"BigC" <jt.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
 > I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I hit
 > submit.

I just tested from the public submission form and although it took about 30
seconds to go through I was able to submit a site.

I see posts in the editor forum that they are instituting connection limits
to stop the automated submissions from flooding the system. It's still like
a DDOS on them and slowing it down.

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 > "BigC" <jt DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:02fenv4vak8kesiijjraq5e31p24ecsbvg@4ax.com...
  >> Has anyone been able to submit a site to dmoz.org lately? Everytime
  >> I've tried for the last few days the page always times out after I
  >> hit submit.
 >
 > I just tested from the public submission form and although it took
 > about 30 seconds to go through I was able to submit a site.
 >
 > I see posts in the editor forum that they are instituting connection
 > limits to stop the automated submissions from flooding the system.
 > It's still like a DDOS on them and slowing it down.

It works. I'm in shock.

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