Chris Gunn <cgunn.RemoveThis@bizynet.com> wrote in message news:<q0mulvkkgjcmsgul365vhmfi6rc211j0dv.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:28:05 GMT, mine.RemoveThis@mine.com wrote:
>
> > I know this is asking allot but could someone explain in lay terms
> >the required process to setup the following changes.
> >
> > I run a couple yahoo stores right now and have a merchant account
> >for them.
> >
> > I want to move one off yahoo and onto a rented space at another
> >regular ISP. Terms like gateway, SSL certificate and such seem a bit
> >overwhelming.
>
> Howdy Paul,
>
> Yes, it can be very confusing and what you read on newsgroups like this
> usually adds to it.
Especially when you chime in and extoll the virtues of your
PROPRIETRARY hosted solution as a solutution to a problem with someone
else's PROPRIETARY hosted solution. Do you want this moldy apple, or
*this* moldy apple?!?
FWIW, we have NEVER once suggested a proprietary solution. The two
offerings we have are:
Actinic Catalog/Business/Developer - a PC based solution with low and
commonly available server requirements (Perl, CGI - that's about all).
Given the low hosting overhead, we've only lost one client to a
proprietary solution - it was due to their multi-million dollar
business requiring to supply chain systems for drop-shipping,
accounting and various other hooks that neither our offerings, or
yours would cope with, the other client we "lost" on our shared
hosting has migrated to their own server - and still run Actinic. We
supply and manage their leased server - it's a good deal for them, and
they will soon have 90,000 product lines in their store.
OsCommerce - an OPEN SOURCE solution with a requirement of MySQL and
PHP - again, commonly found, and with the provision of the backup
tools and phpmyadmin, allow the user to migrate to another host in the
unlikely event they can't manage on our hosting (it's never happened).
When we make recommendations, and we offer a solution that fits, we
*NEVER* tie the client to our solutions - they either stay because we
provided the right solution at the right price, or they walk and we
adapt or learn a lesson - I would suggest that no-one sign up for ANY
kind of proprietary hosted e-commerce solution - it is NOT a good idea
to put all your eggs in someone else's basket without having a backup
basket to use - in the case of proprietary solutions, you generally
don't have another company to move to. In this respect, even Miva
would be a superior solution to the problem - and that's SAYING
something!
>Try <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://Racksandstuff.com" target="_blank">http://Racksandstuff.com</a> for one of the sites I've
> rescued from companies like Yahoo.
>
> If you have a merchant account and can run card transactions from your
> computer, you do not need to worry about gateway fees, SSL certificates, and
> the other expenses they like to tack on.
SOMONE needs to secure the connection between store purchaser's
browser and the server - if not the gateway, or the user's own SSL
certificate, then the only choice left is a shared SSL or wildcard
certificate - the sold use of these certiificates will invalidate any
guarantees from the SSL provider. Prostitution of SSL certificates
may well be a common practice - it doesn't make it RIGHT.
> All you need is a browser that
> will let you log in at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="https://bizycart.com/WebMail" target="_blank">https://bizycart.com/WebMail</a> to collect the credit
> card numbers E-Mail style.
aha... you're dishing out your SSL to the hosted bizycart end users...
what about encryption and order security?
>
> > Can someone explain step by step what and how to get all this setup
> >properly. I am also concerned about loosing my existing search
> >ranking. I know from past experience that moving a domain takes a
> >couple days to propagate through the DNS network, and don't want to be
> >off-line during that time.
>
> Unlike other hosts, I'll set your site up on an IP number so you can ensure
> everything is working properly.
What on earth does that mean "unlike other hosts"??
We've been offering dedicated IPs to our business hosting clients for
MANY YEARS!
> When you're happy, then we switch the DNS
> name servers and the transition happens without losing a single click.
>
Isn't it magic??!!!???
> > Also the fees for the Yahoo store, as you may know are 50 bucks plus
> >.10 per item. I'm working with around 275 - 300 items and would like
> >to stay around the same cost.
>
> Would $24.95 a month fit into your budget for hosting and full use of
> BIZyCart (www.bizycart.com) to handle your orders? Since you've already got
> your site operational, I can convert your web pages over to BIZyCart and get
> you moved for $265.00. You'll also have better control over updating your
> site via the web management interface than Yahoo.
[shudder] - and tied into the bizycart proprietary solution in the
same way he currently is with the Yahoo! stores solution - you are
asking him to jump from Yahoo! Store's frying pan into the bizycart
skillet - do you not see that your solution has almost all the
retrictions that he doesn't actually want?? The only marginally
better price is your ONLY benefit, while losing the Yahoo! stores
search solutions, it would be a fool rushing in... I honestly don't
know how you tout this rubbish and sleep at night - and then to have
the temerity to suggest that you are making muddy waters clear...
that's real smoke and mirrors stuff!
[signature separator would go here if you had half a clue Chris]
Greg Hewitt-Long
ps - he went oscommerce at AAA.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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