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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:31 pm
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"Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
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"Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said: "Organisations that offer
goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to make their sites
accessible to disabled people. But where the response is inadequate, the
industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the law to make the
web a less hostile place.""

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:20 pm
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:31:16 -0700, "Lois"
<auto-newsgroups RemoveThis @wordsweave.com> wrote:

 >"Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
 >http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll
 >
 >"Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said: "Organisations that offer
 >goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to make their sites
 >accessible to disabled people. But where the response is inadequate, the
 >industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the law to make the
 >web a less hostile place.""

Yeah, calling out the scum sucking bottom feeders is sure to make it
less hostile.

Sorry, Spunky, if you're a deaf, blind quadriplegic, and my site is
doesn't serve your purpose, it's not because I'm hostile.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:29 pm
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"Lois" <auto-newsgroups.RemoveThis@wordsweave.com> wrote in message
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 > "Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font" target="_blank">http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font</a>>
 >
 > "Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said: "Organisations that offer
 > goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to make their
sites
 > accessible to disabled people. But where the response is inadequate, the
 > industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the law to make the
 > web a less hostile place.""

My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
websites......

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:16 am
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Fat Sam janetandsam.DeleteThis@btbroadband.com wrote:
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 > "Lois" <auto-newsgroups.DeleteThis@wordsweave.com> wrote in message
 > news:0vbic.3803$hk6.522@fe03.usenetserver.com...
  > > "Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font" target="_blank">http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font</a>>
  > >
  > > "Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said: "Organisations that offer
  > > goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to make their
 > sites
  > > accessible to disabled people. But where the response is inadequate, the
  > > industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the law to make the
  > > web a less hostile place.""
 >
 > My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
 > websites......
 >

how does he fit down the modem?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:34 am
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"Eric Jarvis" <web RemoveThis @ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > Fat Sam janetandsam RemoveThis @btbroadband.com wrote:
  > >
  > > "Lois" <auto-newsgroups RemoveThis @wordsweave.com> wrote in message
  > > news:0vbic.3803$hk6.522@fe03.usenetserver.com...
   > > > "Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
<font color=brown>   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font" target="_blank">http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7446/976-b?ecoll</font</a>>
   > > >
   > > > "Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said: "Organisations that
offer
   > > > goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to make their
  > > sites
   > > > accessible to disabled people. But where the response is inadequate,
the
   > > > industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the law to make
the
   > > > web a less hostile place.""
  > >
  > > My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
  > > websites......
  > >
 >
 > how does he fit down the modem?

Takes off his artificial leg and rubs butter on his hips.....He has to leave
his crutches behind though.....

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:14 am
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"Dave Hitt" <BoydoIhatespammers.TakeThisOut@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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 > If it kills so many people, why can't they name three of them?
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name_three.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name_three.html</font</a>>

Excellent work with the "name three" Dave.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:23 am
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Fat Sam wrote:
 > "Lois" <auto-newsgroups.DeleteThis@wordsweave.com> wrote in message
 > news:0vbic.3803$hk6.522@fe03.usenetserver.com...
  >> "Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
 >
 > My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
 > websites......

.... and he has a head-start (leg-start?) when it come to getting legless.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:19 am
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in post: <news:MPG.1af397f73d8c09398c91a@news.individual.net>
Eric Jarvis <web.TakeThisOut@ericjarvis.co.uk> said:

  >> My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
  >> websites......

 > how does he fit down the modem?

obviously one piece at a time

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:48 am
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"Lois" <auto-newsgroups.RemoveThis@wordsweave.com> wrote in message
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 > "Websites fail to meet needs of disabled people"
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For gods sake, where is all this PC crapola going to end?

Web sites (like many other things in life) are there
primarily to meet the needs of the owner. If that involves
meeting the needs of one particular visitor, or all
visitors, fine.

Like all things in life, some things are accessable to some
people, and some are not accessable to others - so what???

Should we require wheelchair access to Mt Everest?

No one, regardless their condition, origin or thoughts has
any 'right' to gain access to any web site. Access to a web
site is conditional on accepting the terms of that web site.

Yes, it is good to try and provide for the needs of those
who cannot provide for themselves but I think it is time the
powers that be had a good look at the way they try to
achieve this.

1. Instead of (attempting ) to compel site owners to provide
for all - the powers that be should be looking at providing
those who cant with the tools to be able to
2. Instead of punishing those who do not comply they should
be rewarding those who come up with a solution to building a
universal U/A

This approach has already been tried sucessfully in other
arenas.

E.g. Car makers and road makers are not compeled to make
their products 'usable' for disabled people.
But, inovators are encouraged to make systems that can be
put in any car to enable disabled drivers.

When it comes to traveling on the highway (in a car) it is
not the responsibility or the requirement of the maker of
the U/A (car) or the highway (network) maintainer or the
owner of the destination (website) to ensure accessability.

It is the task of the inovator - often supported by
government - to design and build a modification in the U/A
used by the disabled person to meet their needs.

Much better to take that approach than to try and 'compel'

After all, such draconian laws only apply in the country of
origin and this means that while they apply to some - they
do not apply to all.

 > "Bert Massie, the commission's chairman, said:
"Organisations that offer
 > goods and services on the web already have a legal duty to
make their sites
 > accessible to disabled people. But where the response is
inadequate, the
 > industry should be prepared for disabled people to use the
law to make the
 > web a less hostile place.""
 >
Well here is a news flash for mr Bert. most organisations in
the world outside of Europe, USA and GB do not have a legal
duty to do so.

So either those who are outside those places will have a
'publishing' advantage or, what is more likely, Businesses
in those places who require a web presence but do not wish
to comply - or face the possible penalties - will simply
relocate.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:48 am
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While sitting in a puddle Bill Logan scribbled in the mud:

 > Should we require wheelchair access to Mt Everest?

That would be cool.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:48 am
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Bill Logan <who.TakeThisOut@what.com> wrote:

 > Web sites (like many other things in life) are there
 > primarily to meet the needs of the owner. If that involves
 > meeting the needs of one particular visitor, or all
 > visitors, fine.

I don't know about the legal issues, One one hand I hope there aren't
laws created that require handicap accessible web sites, on the other
hand it does seem incredibly unfair that the web generally is not
accessible to blind users.

Even physical brick & morter businesses aren't really accessible to the
blind. (well, the road system leading to those businesses anyway, blind
drivers are probably not the greatest idea no matter how unfair it is,
so, how do the blind get to the Walmarts of the world? When they're
there, how do they read the prices? (much less the ingredients,
product labels or medication warnings / directions.)

Seems almost cruel, the blind being denied access to so much in the
"real world", along comes this whole internet thing, something a blind
user can safely get to w/out smashing into someone else.. something that
actually *could* read the lables for them, guess what? It's practically
useless to them, even though it *could be* made available since the
technology is here. Must seem like an incredible slap in the face for
them.

Enacting laws? I don't know.. wonder what the current demographics are?

Years ago I wrote a shopping cart program with an optional feature for
blind users. NO ONE was interested in it and it was a complete waste of
my time. Laws would have helped me sell my services, but I can see where
it's unfair to ask a merchant to provide costly resources for "blind
friendly" interfaces which no one uses anyway.

Could it be a chicken & egg problem? No one write blind-friendly stuff
because the blind don't use the web, the blind don't use the web because
the web isn't blind accessible? If that is the case, laws are about the
only practical way I can think of to change things, which, of course is
unfair to whoever has to pay for it.

I say we bring back gopher! Smile

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:48 am
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Duende wrote:
 > While sitting in a puddle Bill Logan scribbled in the mud:
 >
  >> Should we require wheelchair access to Mt Everest?
 >
 > That would be cool.

It's cooler at the top.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:38 pm
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"Dave Hitt" <BoydoIhatespammers.RemoveThis@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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 > Sorry, Spunky, if you're a deaf, blind quadriplegic, and my site is
 > doesn't serve your purpose, it's not because I'm hostile.
 >
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:24 pm
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brucie wrote:

 > in post: <news:MPG.1af397f73d8c09398c91a@news.individual.net>
 > Eric Jarvis <web.DeleteThis@ericjarvis.co.uk> said:
 >
 >
   >>>My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
   >>>websites......
 >
 >
  >>how does he fit down the modem?
 >
 >
 > obviously one piece at a time
 >

lotsa little packets

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:24 pm
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:24:35 GMT, TechnoHippie
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 >brucie wrote:
 >
  >> in post: <news:MPG.1af397f73d8c09398c91a@news.individual.net>
  >> Eric Jarvis <web.TakeThisOut@ericjarvis.co.uk> said:
  >>
  >>
   >>>>My stepson has only got one leg, and he has no problems accessing
   >>>>websites......
  >>
  >>
   >>>how does he fit down the modem?
  >>
  >>
  >> obviously one piece at a time
  >>
 >
 >lotsa little packets

No, I think it would be one bit at a time...

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