60 Day Limit on Domain Transfers

"Jeff" <drogo.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > My question, do I have to wait 60 days until I can re-transfer
 > these names away from this dangerous organization? Is there any way
 > around this?

Not sure Jeff. Check out nominet.net and icann.org

The company doesn't sound like a registrar to me, you can find out from the
above sites, probably a reseller.

Why didn't you name them?

If they are a reseller, then the names will be registered with a "proper"
registrar, so all is not lost!
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"Charles Sweeney" <me.TakeThisOut@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
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 > "Jeff" <drogo.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 >
  > > My question, do I have to wait 60 days until I can re-transfer
  > > these names away from this dangerous organization? Is there any way
  > > around this?

When I looked into this a while back I discovered there was a 60 day period
after renewing my domain before I could transfer it - I can't find the link
explaining it all again though sorry.


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"Red E. Kilowatt" <rekilowatt.RemoveThis@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
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 > "Jeff" <drogo.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > news:8e7bc63c.0307161615.10ee710f@posting.google.com
  > > My question, do I have to wait 60 days until I can re-transfer
  > > these names away from this dangerous organization?
 >
 > Yes
 >
  > > Is there any way
  > > around this?
 >
 > Your current registrar has to cooperate in order to transfer the name. Any
 > attempt to circumvent the usual procedure would probably take longer.
 >
 > Experiences like yours are the reason why a lot of webmasters don't use
the
 > same company for their domains and hosting.
 >
 > --

Why wouldnt you use the same company for hosting and domains ? It seems as
if the company you choose is not some shitty reseller you shouldn't have a
problem. Are there other reasons ?

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"3rik" <mr3rik.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > "Red E. Kilowatt" <rekilowatt.TakeThisOut@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
 > news:B8mRa.9534$nq3.248740@twister.socal.rr.com...
  >> "Jeff" <drogo.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
  >> news:8e7bc63c.0307161615.10ee710f@posting.google.com
   >>> My question, do I have to wait 60 days until I can re-transfer
   >>> these names away from this dangerous organization?
  >>
  >> Yes
  >>
   >>> Is there any way
   >>> around this?
  >>
  >> Your current registrar has to cooperate in order to transfer the
  >> name. Any attempt to circumvent the usual procedure would probably
  >> take longer.
  >>
  >> Experiences like yours are the reason why a lot of webmasters don't
  >> use the same company for their domains and hosting.
  >>
  >> --
 >
 > Why wouldnt you use the same company for hosting and domains ? It
 > seems as if the company you choose is not some shitty reseller you
 > shouldn't have a problem. Are there other reasons ?
 >
 > Erik

The old adage, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" comes to mind. No
matter how good a host might be, there is the possibility that you could be
unable to access both your site and the domain controls for some extended
period. You would not have the option of moving your site because you
wouldn't be able to change the nameserver info for your domain.
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3rik wrote:
 >
 > Why wouldnt you use the same company for hosting and domains ? It
 > seems as if the company you choose is not some shitty reseller you
 > shouldn't have a problem. Are there other reasons ?
 >

paranoia, megalomania to name but two
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"Jeff" <drogo DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Hello,
 >
 > I recently signed up for a Web Hosting / Domain Transfer Package
 > via an online vendor. Likewise, I also transferred several Domain
 > Names to this registrar as I like to stay somewhat organized, pay one
 > bill and simplify technical management.
 >
 > Trying not to resort to rudeness, I can only summarize my dilmena
 > like this: This company doesn't have the slightest clue as to what
 > they are doing. I've only been a customer 2 weeks, they've overbilled
 > me and can't manage to get around to correcting it, they don't allow
 > for any sort of Domain Name management (their "Control Panel" system
 > is totally broken), their support staff is so incredibly ignorant of
 > DNS and Domain Name Management in general that it's scary, they refuse
 > to make changes to my Registrant Info (during the transfer, they
 > actually removed my name as the registrant from all of my Domain
 > Names!), to top it off - despite my incredible patience in over 10
 > hours logged w/them - they are rude, and in short, they have be really
 > annoyed.
 >
 > I want to get my Domain Names away from this registrar ASAP. If
 > they won't refund my $, I'll eat the costs. I'm more worried about
 > keeping control of my Domain Names at this point.
 >
 > My question, do I have to wait 60 days until I can re-transfer
 > these names away from this dangerous organization? Is there any way
 > around this?
Without knowing the domain names in question it is difficult to answer.
However - the 60 days you refer to is an ICANN rule and is ridgidly
enforced!
What your registrar may not have told you is that the 60 day rule refers
only to initial registration. So, if your name has been continuously
registered by you for say more than one year, and you only recently
transfered it to a new registrar there is no reason persuant to the 60 day
rule that you cannot transfer the name to another registrar - or reseller
like us:-)

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"Bill Logan" <blogan DeleteThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in message news:<3f17b4a3 DeleteThis @clear.net.nz>...

Hi - This "60" day rule isn't very clear - is it documented somewhere
on ICANN's site that I can't find (concerning it applying to "initial"
registrations only?). All of my domain names have been registered for
over a year.

What's more annoying, is that this company is so incompetent they
aren't likely to process a return transfer order. What on earth do I
do then? Their lack of knowledge concerning the Name Registry System
and DNS in general is awful. They can't even figure out how to get
the "Registrant Name" field into their whois database, nor can they
initiate transfer requests for .org addy's - because they query the
global registry, which spits back "Contact Registrant Sponsor, ie
whois.opensrs.org" and lists "not@available.org" or something, and
they can't grasp this. They only tell me, "your email is listed as
not DeleteThis @available.org, you need to change it". Insane.

I spoke (very politely, I don't lose my temper) with a manager
last week for an hour. He was incredibly sympathetic to my concerns,
and agreed that my issues are not only valid, but they are severe.
Yet, it's been over a week, and he hasn't resolved a single one of
them. I want my domain names outta there ASAP, and then I'll fight a
refund for web hosting services as well (you can't even delete POP
accounts once you create them). All of this combined with 50 other
issues, ranging from billing to lack of control over my own domain
names.

Their marketing and sales is top notch though, let me tell you.
Man, they must sucker a lot of people in.

If they don't resolve my issues and cooperate with my requests
to transfer services to another company, I'll be happy to post their
name in a week or so.

Jeff

 > Without knowing the domain names in question it is difficult to answer.
 > However - the 60 days you refer to is an ICANN rule and is ridgidly
 > enforced!
 > What your registrar may not have told you is that the 60 day rule refers
 > only to initial registration. So, if your name has been continuously
 > registered by you for say more than one year, and you only recently
 > transfered it to a new registrar there is no reason persuant to the 60 day
 > rule that you cannot transfer the name to another registrar - or reseller
 > like us:-)
 >
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"Jeff" <drogo RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > "Bill Logan" <blogan RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:<3f17b4a3 RemoveThis @clear.net.nz>...
 >
 > Hi - This "60" day rule isn't very clear - is it documented somewhere
 > on ICANN's site that I can't find (concerning it applying to "initial"
 > registrations only?). All of my domain names have been registered for
 > over a year.
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.icann.org/general/faq1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/general/faq1.htm</a>
Yes, you may change the registrar sponsoring your domain name at any time
more than sixty days after initial registration

This is also informative
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00015.html" target="_blank">http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00015.html</a>

and a discussion paper on the issue at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.icann.org/montevideo/tonkin-position-paper-27aug01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/montevideo/tonkin-position-paper-27aug01.htm</a>


 > What's more annoying, is that this company is so incompetent they
 > aren't likely to process a return transfer order. What on earth do I
 > do then? Their lack of knowledge concerning the Name Registry System
 > and DNS in general is awful. They can't even figure out how to get
 > the "Registrant Name" field into their whois database, nor can they
 > initiate transfer requests for .org addy's - because they query the
 > global registry, which spits back "Contact Registrant Sponsor, ie
 > whois.opensrs.org" and lists "not@available.org" or something, and
 > they can't grasp this. They only tell me, "your email is listed as
 > not RemoveThis @available.org, you need to change it". Insane.
 >
 > I spoke (very politely, I don't lose my temper) with a manager
 > last week for an hour. He was incredibly sympathetic to my concerns,
 > and agreed that my issues are not only valid, but they are severe.
 > Yet, it's been over a week, and he hasn't resolved a single one of
 > them. I want my domain names outta there ASAP, and then I'll fight a
 > refund for web hosting services as well (you can't even delete POP
 > accounts once you create them). All of this combined with 50 other
 > issues, ranging from billing to lack of control over my own domain
 > names.
 >
 > Their marketing and sales is top notch though, let me tell you.
 > Man, they must sucker a lot of people in.
 >
 > If they don't resolve my issues and cooperate with my requests
 > to transfer services to another company, I'll be happy to post their
 > name in a week or so.
 >
A simple way would be for you to simply go to another registrar or reseller
and get them to do a transfer application. As long as you have access to the
registrant and or admin e-mail addys on the name records (so you can verify
the transfer request) all transfers should go through.

If you are stuck for a registrar or reseller I can help. Our real time
system will action the transfers very quickly. As our costs are as low, if
not lower, than others in the industry you could easily transfer the names
away from where they are now and then re transfer them elsewhere at your
leisure - if you wished. I would need some info first to verify the current
situation with all the neames.
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"Bill Logan" <blogan RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in message news:<3f1ef994 RemoveThis @clear.net.nz>...

As a test, I attempted a transfer back to my old registrar. My
existing registrar denied the transfer request, no reason provided (to
the old registrar or to me). I'm assuming they take the 60 day rule
to apply to transferred registrations. ICANN's wording is somewhat
vague, and regardless, these people are clueless.

This comes after writing to them, informing them (politely) that
I'm completely fed up with their support staff, and plan to transfer
all of my services away from them ASAP. I've told them to keep my $,
just cooperate and get my services off of their network. Obviously,
they plan to drag this out as long as possible. They don't even
bother to reply. Last night, someone called me from there, and hung
up when I answered. I've never gone through anything like this. Of
course, my name has been stripped from the registrant info for my
domain names - their billing is so screwed up that I don't want to pay
it (by informing my CC company), yet I fear that if I don't, they'll
just steal my names.

On another note - in regards to your offer for services - feel
free to email me privately w/what you have to offer -
drogo RemoveThis @earthlink.net - however if your services are in NZ that's
probably not going to help me.

I do appreciate your help!

Thanks,
Jeff

<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.icann.org/general/faq1.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/general/faq1.htm</font</a>>
 > Yes, you may change the registrar sponsoring your domain name at any time
 > more than sixty days after initial registration
 >
 > A simple way would be for you to simply go to another registrar or reseller
 > and get them to do a transfer application. As long as you have access to the
 > registrant and or admin e-mail addys on the name records (so you can verify
 > the transfer request) all transfers should go through.
 >
 > If you are stuck for a registrar or reseller I can help. Our real time
 > system will action the transfers very quickly. As our costs are as low, if
 > not lower, than others in the industry you could easily transfer the names
 > away from where they are now and then re transfer them elsewhere at your
 > leisure - if you wished. I would need some info first to verify the current
 > situation with all the neames.
 > Let me know if that is useful to you?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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