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deanharris

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:12 am
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Hi all,

I need some opinions regarding the best way to getting up to speed on
Administrating Win2k+IIS 5 from a Web Server point of view.

A few years ago I was involved in Desktop Support and Networking
support. Got my MCP with NT4 and Win95, but was never involved with
IIS.

Last couple years I've been involved with web design and have
forgotten a lot of Networking basics.

Now I am planning on launching my own sites on a dedicated server
running Win2k Server and IIS5. I am running WinXPPro and IIS 5.1 on
my local machine.

I was planning to get:

Windows 2000 IIS 5.0: A Beginner's Guide
by Rod Trent

Mastering Windows 2000 Server (4th Edition)
by Mark Minasi (Editor

And perhaps Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Resource Kit by Microsoft

My Server choice will probably be on the low end of things hardware
wise- *initially*.

==================================
Pentium IV 1.8Ghz
512MB ECC RAM
80GB Ultra IDE Drive
Bandwidth Allocation: 3.75Mbps / 1200GB Monthly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
............ $139/Month
............. $ 99 Setup
===================================

My instinct is to upgrade RAM to 1024MB...but they charge an extra
$25/mo for the additional 512MB upgrade.

I will have an Adult site on this box running an ASP (soon to be
ASP.NET) application that utilizes SQL server.

There will be a built in Slide Show function and ability to custom
make their own "Favorites" Album from the pics they like- out of 9,000
pictures- just under 1GB in content. Amount of users will probably
start out small...but build up pretty quick as it will be a free site.

I know from experience that the way one sets up/tunes the operating
environment can help a lot. BUT- that can only take one so far. In
general, is it better for IIS to have more RAM or more CPU power?

The hosts next step up is:
========================================================
Pentium IV 2.4Ghz
1.0GB ECC RAM
120GB Ultra IDE Drive
Bandwidth Allocation: 7Mbps / 2300GB Monthly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
............ $249/Month
........... $ 149 Setup
======================================================

The bandwidth allocation on the smaller plan is a bit of a concern.

What is the most likely bottleneck with the cheaper plan?

Finally, I will be running http://www.isapirewrite.com/ and may
consider http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp or some other HTTP
Compression.

Any advise? Things to look out for? Other book recommendations? Any
*strong* benefits to upgrading to Win2003 Server and IIS6?

Thanks in advance...














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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:49 pm
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 >I was planning to get:
 >
 >Windows 2000 IIS 5.0: A Beginner's Guide
 >by Rod Trent
 >
 >Mastering Windows 2000 Server (4th Edition)
 >by Mark Minasi (Editor
 >
 >And perhaps Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Resource Kit by Microsoft

Also look at the IIS Resource Kit, as well as IIS5 and Windows 2000 by
William R. Stanek/Microsoft Press.

 >My Server choice will probably be on the low end of things hardware
 >wise- *initially*.

 >==================================
 >Pentium IV 1.8Ghz
 >512MB ECC RAM
 >80GB Ultra IDE Drive
 >Bandwidth Allocation: 3.75Mbps / 1200GB Monthly
 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > ............ $139/Month
 > ............. $ 99 Setup
 >===================================

'Taint low. My production system is a PIII 800 GHz, it's replace ment
is a P4 1.6 GHz. A RAID and more RAM are better.

 >My instinct is to upgrade RAM to 1024MB...but they charge an extra
 >$25/mo for the additional 512MB upgrade.
 >
 >I will have an Adult site on this box running an ASP (soon to be
 >ASP.NET) application that utilizes SQL server.

Whooo boy. You ned mucho more RAM, dual CPU's, a RAID 0 or RAID 5 and
a whole lot more bandwidth. Smile

 >There will be a built in Slide Show function and ability to custom
 >make their own "Favorites" Album from the pics they like- out of 9,000
 >pictures- just under 1GB in content. Amount of users will probably
 >start out small...but build up pretty quick as it will be a free site.

Day 1 -- 19 users
Day 2 -- 54 users
Day 3 -- 1,004,628 users

 >I know from experience that the way one sets up/tunes the operating
 >environment can help a lot. BUT- that can only take one so far. In
 >general, is it better for IIS to have more RAM or more CPU power?

RAM. Though SQL may get in the mix. Lots of options for tuning SQL,
and you'll want multiple drives, arrays and dual CPU's or better to
max SQL.

 >The hosts next step up is:
 >========================================================
 >Pentium IV 2.4Ghz
 >1.0GB ECC RAM
 >120GB Ultra IDE Drive
 >Bandwidth Allocation: 7Mbps / 2300GB Monthly
 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > ............ $249/Month
 > ........... $ 149 Setup
 >======================================================
 >
 >The bandwidth allocation on the smaller plan is a bit of a concern.

It should be, with a free adult site.

 >What is the most likely bottleneck with the cheaper plan?

Bandwidth. And total transfer.

 >Finally, I will be running <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.isapirewrite.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isapirewrite.com/</a> and may
 >consider <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp" target="_blank">http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp</a> or some other HTTP
 >Compression.

ISAPI rewrites will eat some processor power, but not significant.
Compression usually will result in an overall increase though you put
more load on the CPU. On a busy site, drive access speed can be an
issue, but bandwidth is your real enemy.

 >Any advise? Things to look out for? Other book recommendations? Any
 >*strong* benefits to upgrading to Win2003 Server and IIS6?

Better performance, far better security, and you'll want to start
budgeting for multiple network connections, clustered servers and
attorney's fees when you're sued and/or charged... Smile

You *are* hosting this in Denmark, correct...?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:58 pm
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You should get IIS 6.0 if it's possible, Secure by default, design and
deployment.
Should I Upgrade to IIS 6.0?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/whitepapers/iis6_upgrade.asp" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/whitepapers/iis6_upgrade.asp</a>

Here's some info links -
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/iis/" target="_blank">www.microsoft.com/iis/</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.iisfaq.com" target="_blank">www.iisfaq.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.iisanswers.com" target="_blank">www.iisanswers.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.iistoolshed.com" target="_blank">www.iistoolshed.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.iis-resources.com" target="_blank">www.iis-resources.com</a>


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"Dean C. Harris" <DeanHarris.RemoveThis@SMINUSSPAMElegantWebs.com> ????
news:s35nvvoaaleedu3c7m8pilt6fftu6fng30@4ax.com...
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I need some opinions regarding the best way to getting up to speed on
 > Administrating Win2k+IIS 5 from a Web Server point of view.
 >
 > A few years ago I was involved in Desktop Support and Networking
 > support. Got my MCP with NT4 and Win95, but was never involved with
 > IIS.
 >
 > Last couple years I've been involved with web design and have
 > forgotten a lot of Networking basics.
 >
 > Now I am planning on launching my own sites on a dedicated server
 > running Win2k Server and IIS5. I am running WinXPPro and IIS 5.1 on
 > my local machine.
 >
 > I was planning to get:
 >
 > Windows 2000 IIS 5.0: A Beginner's Guide
 > by Rod Trent
 >
 > Mastering Windows 2000 Server (4th Edition)
 > by Mark Minasi (Editor
 >
 > And perhaps Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Resource Kit by Microsoft
 >
 > My Server choice will probably be on the low end of things hardware
 > wise- *initially*.
 >
 > ==================================
 > Pentium IV 1.8Ghz
 > 512MB ECC RAM
 > 80GB Ultra IDE Drive
 > Bandwidth Allocation: 3.75Mbps / 1200GB Monthly
 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
 > ............ $139/Month
 > ............. $ 99 Setup
 > ===================================
 >
 > My instinct is to upgrade RAM to 1024MB...but they charge an extra
 > $25/mo for the additional 512MB upgrade.
 >
 > I will have an Adult site on this box running an ASP (soon to be
 > ASP.NET) application that utilizes SQL server.
 >
 > There will be a built in Slide Show function and ability to custom
 > make their own "Favorites" Album from the pics they like- out of 9,000
 > pictures- just under 1GB in content. Amount of users will probably
 > start out small...but build up pretty quick as it will be a free site.
 >
 > I know from experience that the way one sets up/tunes the operating
 > environment can help a lot. BUT- that can only take one so far. In
 > general, is it better for IIS to have more RAM or more CPU power?
 >
 > The hosts next step up is:
 > ========================================================
 > Pentium IV 2.4Ghz
 > 1.0GB ECC RAM
 > 120GB Ultra IDE Drive
 > Bandwidth Allocation: 7Mbps / 2300GB Monthly
 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
 > ............ $249/Month
 > ........... $ 149 Setup
 > ======================================================
 >
 > The bandwidth allocation on the smaller plan is a bit of a concern.
 >
 > What is the most likely bottleneck with the cheaper plan?
 >
 > Finally, I will be running <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.isapirewrite.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isapirewrite.com/</a> and may
 > consider <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp" target="_blank">http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp</a> or some other HTTP
 > Compression.
 >
 > Any advise? Things to look out for? Other book recommendations? Any
 > *strong* benefits to upgrading to Win2003 Server and IIS6?
 >
 > Thanks in advance...
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > Dean C. Harris
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ElegantWebs.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.ElegantWebs.com</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:43 pm
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:58:27 +0800, "Bernard"
<qbernard DeleteThis @hotmail.com.discuss> wrote:

 >You should get IIS 6.0 if it's possible, Secure by default, design and
 >deployment.
 >Should I Upgrade to IIS 6.0?
 >http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/whitepapers/iis6_upgrade.asp
 >
 >Here's some info links -
 >www.microsoft.com/iis/
 >www.iisfaq.com
 >www.iisanswers.com
 >www.iistoolshed.com
 >www.iis-resources.com

Thanks. I'll look into it.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:16 pm
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:49:12 GMT, jcochran.nospam.RemoveThis@naplesgov.com (Jeff
Cochran) wrote:

 >Also look at the IIS Resource Kit, as well as IIS5 and Windows 2000 by
 >William R. Stanek/Microsoft Press.

Wondering if I can upgrade to Win2003 and IIS6 now. It's better to do
it prior to a live site. So, I'll look into the cost and possibility
of it.

  >>==================================
  >>Pentium IV 1.8Ghz
  >>512MB ECC RAM
  >>80GB Ultra IDE Drive
  >>Bandwidth Allocation: 3.75Mbps / 1200GB Monthly
  >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >> ............ $139/Month
  >> ............. $ 99 Setup
  >>===================================
 >
 >'Taint low. My production system is a PIII 800 GHz, it's replace ment
 >is a P4 1.6 GHz. A RAID and more RAM are better.
 >
  >>My instinct is to upgrade RAM to 1024MB...but they charge an extra
  >>$25/mo for the additional 512MB upgrade.
  >>
  >>I will have an Adult site on this box running an ASP (soon to be
  >>ASP.NET) application that utilizes SQL server.
 >
 >Whooo boy. You ned mucho more RAM, dual CPU's, a RAID 0 or RAID 5 and
 >a whole lot more bandwidth. Smile

Yes. Well if enough people sign up with my sponsors I'll do that. I
have plans to offer a paid site as well. BUT would wait until I had
serious traffic and money to do that.

 >Day 1 -- 19 users
 >Day 2 -- 54 users
 >Day 3 -- 1,004,628 users

Wink Hope it won't be that drastic. If enough people flood my server
traffic wise, it's a good thing as I know I have a hit on my hands. I
expect the unexpected and plan for failure. Not just
hardware/software wise, but mentally as well.

It's a tremendous departure for an adult site to be on a Windows
platform. The need for legal Adult+Windows+SQL Server 2000 doesn't
leave many options for hosting. Ideally, co-location is best with
something like this:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=pe2650ws&s=bsd" target="_blank">http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300...en&oc=p</a>

But...I need to see the potential ROI for such an investment.

 >RAM. Though SQL may get in the mix. Lots of options for tuning SQL,
 >and you'll want multiple drives, arrays and dual CPU's or better to
 >max SQL.

Yes. That would be nice.

  >>The bandwidth allocation on the smaller plan is a bit of a concern.
 >
 >It should be, with a free adult site.

True. It's my hope the low end hardware can putter along well enough
for about 2 months until I start to see what kind of money can come in
from the site.

There will be a high degree of integration of a message board so I
will get instant feedback regarding speed or lack thereof.

  >>What is the most likely bottleneck with the cheaper plan?
 >
 >Bandwidth. And total transfer.
 >
  >>Finally, I will be running <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.isapirewrite.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isapirewrite.com/</a> and may
  >>consider <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp" target="_blank">http://www.turboiis.com/compare.asp</a> or some other HTTP
  >>Compression.
 >
 >ISAPI rewrites will eat some processor power, but not significant.
 >Compression usually will result in an overall increase though you put
 >more load on the CPU. On a busy site, drive access speed can be an
 >issue, but bandwidth is your real enemy.

Yep- it is *the* concern on any adult site. That's why I considered
HTTP Compression ahead of time. More load on CPU vs less bandwidth is
something I'll need to feel out.

  >>Any advise? Things to look out for? Other book recommendations? Any
  >>*strong* benefits to upgrading to Win2003 Server and IIS6?
 >
 >Better performance, far better security, and you'll want to start
 >budgeting for multiple network connections, clustered servers and
 >attorney's fees when you're sued and/or charged... Smile

Well, I'd like co-location on a DNS managed system with at least 2
locations in US, 1 in Asia, and 1 in Europe.

I've investigated into the business end of this for about 1/4 of a
year. All my content is legal and very mainstream.

 >You *are* hosting this in Denmark, correct...?

Nope. There are plenty of adult message boards...most are poor, but
found a good one with folks who have been in the business since '97.

There is nothing illegal about my site so it will be hosted within the
US.

 >Jeff

Thanks for the response.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:20 pm
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   >>>I will have an Adult site on this box running an ASP (soon to be
   >>>ASP.NET) application that utilizes SQL server.
  >>
  >>Whooo boy. You ned mucho more RAM, dual CPU's, a RAID 0 or RAID 5 and
  >>a whole lot more bandwidth. Smile
 >
 >Yes. Well if enough people sign up with my sponsors I'll do that. I
 >have plans to offer a paid site as well. BUT would wait until I had
 >serious traffic and money to do that.

Five years ago that was easy. Now you just don't earn enough via
sponsors on adult sites. But best of luck anyway.

 >It's a tremendous departure for an adult site to be on a Windows
 >platform. The need for legal Adult+Windows+SQL Server 2000 doesn't
 >leave many options for hosting. Ideally, co-location is best with
 >something like this:

I'd skip the Windows hosting then. Pretty much, if all the other
adult sites are doing something, you're safe to follow the pack. But
make sure you have your attorney's cell number in case. Smile

 >Yep- it is *the* concern on any adult site. That's why I considered
 >HTTP Compression ahead of time. More load on CPU vs less bandwidth is
 >something I'll need to feel out.

I don't think you'll see the gains on compression you're really
looking for. But every bit helps in this case.

  >>You *are* hosting this in Denmark, correct...?

 >Nope. There are plenty of adult message boards...most are poor, but
 >found a good one with folks who have been in the business since '97.

That narrows it to about one of four. Smile

 >There is nothing illegal about my site so it will be hosted within the
 >US.

Well, with the possible exception of Utah... Smile

Again, good luck. Adult sites are the cutting edge of technology (sex
is always at the forefront of technology), and in a distant and sordid
past I helped get a few adult sites started. The business has changed
over the years, gotten more professional and big business has latched
on, and it's extremely tough to compete with the established players.
Vivid can toss out a few million for hardware and not affect the
bottom line for example. The key is a specific and underserved niche,
though most of those also hit the fringe regions in terms of legality.

Again good luck, you're in for a ride that could prove very fruitful.
Or painful.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:35 am
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:20:54 GMT, jcochran.nospam RemoveThis @naplesgov.com (Jeff
Cochran) wrote:

  >>Yes. Well if enough people sign up with my sponsors I'll do that. I
  >>have plans to offer a paid site as well. BUT would wait until I had
  >>serious traffic and money to do that.
 >
 >Five years ago that was easy. Now you just don't earn enough via
 >sponsors on adult sites. But best of luck anyway.

Not so 100% of the time. "It depends". I'm glad it's more difficult
now. Revenue sharing programs are typically 50%.

 >I'd skip the Windows hosting then. Pretty much, if all the other
 >adult sites are doing something, you're safe to follow the pack. But
 >make sure you have your attorney's cell number in case. Smile

I'm locked into ASP based apps. My non adult sites utilize ASP.NET

 >I don't think you'll see the gains on compression you're really
 >looking for. But every bit helps in this case.

Yeah- my bandwidth will be 90% JPG based. But like you mention, every
bit counts and if it speeds things up for modem users a *tad* then
it's worth it.

  >>Nope. There are plenty of adult message boards...most are poor, but
  >>found a good one with folks who have been in the business since '97.
 >
 >That narrows it to about one of four. Smile

Well, I found it via another Paid Supporter of WebmasterWorld.com who
has a fairly popular linklist. If you know SEO/SEM and know PageRank-
the board I'm on is run by the owner of the highest PR an adult site
ever got...back when page rank meant a lot more.

 >Again, good luck. Adult sites are the cutting edge of technology (sex
 >is always at the forefront of technology),

Hmm- not so much in my browsing. Most adult sites plain suck from a
webmastering point of view. Most don't even utilize CSS and have
front pages with giant image slices.

 >and in a distant and sordid
 >past I helped get a few adult sites started. The business has changed
 >over the years, gotten more professional and big business has latched
 >on, and it's extremely tough to compete with the established players.

Not competition...quite the opposite...I provide traffic for the
sites. They provide free content to help push their site.

 >Vivid can toss out a few million for hardware and not affect the
 >bottom line for example. The key is a specific and underserved niche,
 >though most of those also hit the fringe regions in terms of legality.

The best converting sites are the ones that people promote the most.
Plain 'ole Hustler converts very well for most people.

I agree withthe above if one is starting a *pay* site. Unless ya got
$100k to spend...dont' even bother. In my case with my free site- if
I break 1k-2k past hosting per month, I'd be happy...as far as this
site goes.

I'll also have a store powered by <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.adultdvdempire.com" target="_blank">www.adultdvdempire.com</a> with my own
domain/branding. Will set comission level to agressive so prices are
as low as possible. Would rather get 15% of many sales than 35% of
few sales.

 >Again good luck, you're in for a ride that could prove very fruitful.
 >Or painful.

Both probably. Wink


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